#WeCops - Wednesday 29th September 2021 9pm (GMT Standard Time) Digital Investigation & Intelligence

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This chat is guest hosted by @DCCBenSnuggs @PSMDigital @Digital_DSgt @sallytvalley

Digital Investigation and Intelligence (DII) – @WeCops Pre-read for Wednesday 29th September 2021 at 9pm

Background to DII

 

The Policing Vision 2025 outlines the innovative and transformative objectives within law enforcement that are required to maintain current levels of service in today’s increasingly digital society. Central to realising the digital vision is the ability to develop a workforce that is able to respond to all crimes with the most up to date knowledge and skills to respond to demand in the most efficient, effective, proportional and ethical way possible. The Digital Policing Programme (which included DII) was originally set up in 2016 to meet these challenges. 

College DII

Our digital intelligence and investigation (DII) project delivers operationally focused learning resources that help policing to develop understanding and responses to crimes with a digital element.

A team of experts with backgrounds in the digital intelligence and investigation areas of policing, working with frontline police officers and staff to develop what they need to know, and turn those concepts into digital learning resources.

Since 2020, we have been awarded funding to create learning materials that support new and existing officers and staff. We have refined the programme to focus on developing digital skills for the recruitment of an additional 20,000 police officers in England and Wales (known as the 20k uplift programme), and other frontline roles.

  • We have delivered Operation Modify– an interactive learning programme designed to enhance digital skills in frontline and core policing in England and Wales.

 

 Created online resources and products which are available via College Learn(previously known as MLE and NCALT) and Knowledge Hub(opens an external website in the same tab)

  • And provided the Cyberdigitools App which is available on force issued android devices.

 

Local DII – Thames Valley Police and Hampshire Police

 

With shared Digital Strategy between both Forces this is our vision statement:

What DII means to us:

 

Digital Investigation and Intelligence is that vital link between the first response to a crime and the result being into the Criminal Justice process. What happens in between is hugely varied, constantly evolving and in some cases complex. So DII must be agile to adapt to the ever changing technology that threads through any crime. We live in a society that is becoming increasing more digital therefore we must enable policing to protect the public through preventing and detecting crime.

 

This will include:
  • Improving the knowledge and skills of frontline officers and staff to address digital crime. Giving our people common understanding, knowledge and skills relating to the collection, assessment and use of digital material to improve investigative outcomes at all levels
  • Ensuring the specialist capability to respond to areas such as cyber-crime and be able to continuously improve.
  • Building and maintaining capabilities in the fast moving digital environment such as common processes in the management of digital material and the tasking/use of digital intelligence resources.

 

Our Hosts

 

This @WeCops chat on Wednesday 29th September at 9pm has a plethora of excellent hosts!

DI Sally Russell – Thames Valley Police - Tweeting as @Sallytvalley

Reaching a milestone of 20 years’ service this year Sally has spent the majority of her career as a Detective, joining the Investigative Skills Department at the Force Training School in 2012. There she introduced the new College of Policing course; Mainstream Cyber Crime Training (MCCT) course and then established the role of Digital Media Investigator (DMI). Sally went on to become the DS DMI Coordinator and introduced a dedicated Cyber Crime Team. Demonstrating the vital role that digital plays in investigation Sally achieved promotion to Detective Inspector and became the new Digital Intelligence and Investigation (DII) DI leading Thames Valley with a brand new  DII team delivering dedicated DMI capability and bespoke Digital training.

 

DS Ben Cadd – Thames Valley Police - Tweeting as @Digital_DSgt

Ben has a background in digital forensics starting his career working in both police and private sector forensic teams. After joining the Police, he worked in both response and neighbourhood teams as well as Smarter Resolution, during which time was involved in a number of projects around staff welfare and wellbeing. Following achieving promotion to Sergeant, he managed a response and investigation team where he continued to assist his LPA with digital strategy, awareness and safeguarding.

Ben left the police in 2019 to work in the private sector in the fields of digital forensics and eDisclosure/eDiscovery. In January 2021, Ben rejoined TVP as the Detective Sergeant for the new Digital Investigation and Intelligence Team.

 

DC Maddie Debuse – Thames Valley Police - Tweeting as @MaddieTvp

Maddie has been a police officer for nearly 16 years starting at Thames Valley Police, then Surrey Police and then in January 2021 returned to Thames Valley Police. In her career she worked in various roles from response, neighbourhood, CID and SOCU. She is a detective who is a qualified Digital Media Investigator and a vehicle telematics spoc trained in Berla.  She is also interested in health and fitness and a fierce advocate for mental health and wellbeing. Maddie is a self-confessed nerd who is a keen video gamer, board gamer and Warhammer minis painter.

Sarra FotheringhamCollege of Policing - Tweeting as @PSMDigital

I am the Policing Standards Manager for Digital and Cyber at the College of Policing.  I have worked in law enforcement for 18 years in different capacities across local and national policing.  My currently portfolio includes digital intelligence and investigation for front line and specialist digital and cyber capabilities helping law enforcement to respond to the current and emerging digital opportunities.  I work with the Home Office, Police Digital Services, Forensic Capability Network and TRACER on a number of programmes developing and delivering skills, learning and knowledge to all law enforcement.   I also have responsibility for supporting national technology programmes to develop standards, guidance and training.  I am a Special Constable with Surrey Police which supports my understanding of frontline challenges and opportunities as well as being a Defuser to support colleagues process the impact of traumatic events.

DCC Ben Snuggs Hampshire Police - Tweeting as @DCCBenSnuggs

 

Ben was appointed Deputy Chief Constable in Hampshire Constabulary on 3 September 2021.

 

From, March 2020 to September 2021 he was Assistant Chief Constable Operations with portfolio responsibility for the Joint Operations Unit and Contact Management across Hampshire Constabulary and Thames Valley Police.

From January 2017 to March 2020 Ben was the Chief Officer responsible for Crime, Criminal Justice and Intelligence in Hampshire Constabulary. He passed the Senior Police National Assessment Centre in November 2017 and graduated from the Strategic Command Course in March 2018.

Ben chairs the national Forensic Information Database Services (FINDS) Strategy Board on behalf of the National Police Chief’s Council and as ACC for TVP and Hampshire chaired the Joint DII board across both forces. He is passionate about digital policing and improving our workforce’s digital knowledge and awareness.

Ben is a Strategic Firearms Commander, Counter Terrorism (CT) Commander and member of the national cadre of chief officers who assume overall tactical command for resolving CT incidents. Ben is the force lead for Cyber Crime, Digital Investigation and Intelligence. He is an accredited PIP4 investigator for the strategic management of complex cases, PIP3 Senior Investigating Officer with a background in major crime, serious and organised crime, public protection investigations and as a Hostage Negotiator Co-ordinator and Negotiator. He is a Public Order Public Safety Gold Commander and CBRNe Gold Commander.

 

Ben has worked as a Crime and Operations Superintendent and Divisional Crime Manager, managing reactive, pro-active criminal investigations, public protection and sex offender management. In 2009 he served in Afghanistan as a European Union Police Mission civilian police advisor to the Minister of the Interior.

Ben is a graduate of the FBI National Academy (session 246) and has a degree in Law and Criminology (LL.B) and a Masters Degree in Police Leadership and Management (MSc).

Ben is married to Alison and has two daughters. He is also a keen runner and sea kayaker and generally likes ‘the outdoors.’

 

 

 





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 #WeCops transcript

 
@WeCops
29 September 2021 21:00
Question 1 : Investigation With ‘digital’ impacting all crime types now what is the biggest barrier to conducting an effective investigation? #wecops https://t.co/702sjnw6Mf
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:00
Here we go! First question.... #wecops https://twitter.com/WeCops/status/1443304576640327684
@_the_blue_line_
29 September 2021 21:01
@WeCops The time it takes to download evidence is the biggest barrier! #wecops
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:01
#wecops Get involved people, what are the biggest barriers, in this digital age, when conducting an investigation? https://twitter.com/WeCops/status/1443304576640327684
@mike200hope
29 September 2021 21:03
@WeCops The ability of specialist resources to keep pace with increasing demand #wecops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:03
@_the_blue_line_ @WeCops Do you mean digital forensics timescales? What about the time to review it? #wecops
@kerrimonaghan1
29 September 2021 21:04
And we are off! Not joined in before? Answer the question, comment on it or others answers. Don’t forget the #WeCops (I hear the TVP team are very excited and even @DCCBenSnuggs has popped in!) https://twitter.com/wecops/status/1443304576640327684
@WeCops
29 September 2021 21:04
@RachelKearton Don’t forget the #wecops on every reply ma’am ??
@_Danny__S
29 September 2021 21:04
@WeCops Financial impact of ‘out-sourcing’. Eg: A mobile phone is now a pocket computer but yet it is treated like a £10 burner. This takes time and when the data is back you need the analytical tools to review it not just evidentially but think disclosure. #wecops
@PhilAriss
29 September 2021 21:04
@WeCops Too many to list! The volume of potential data is certainly up there, and the ability to understand and interpret this data. #wecops
@kelshaw_84
29 September 2021 21:04
@WeCops The amount of officers trained to capture the digital evidence I.e downloading phones #wecops
@WeCops
29 September 2021 21:04
RT @kerrimonaghan1: And we are off! Not joined in before? Answer the question, comment on it or others answers. Don’t forget the #WeCops (I…
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:04
@tiggeymay @WeCops Would be really interested to know more about the survey. #wecops
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:05
@mike200hope @WeCops Do you mean specialist digital teams? If so I agree ! #wecops
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:05
#wecops what type of specialist resource do you mean? Digital units / departments or devices / technology? https://twitter.com/mike200hope/status/1443305363999236102
@Lothy1980
29 September 2021 21:05
@WeCops Volume of data both getting it downloaded and the reviewing it properly. #Wecops
@GilesTvp
29 September 2021 21:05
@RachelKearton @WeCops I couldn't agree more. Especially with the size of files I can create during a cybercrime investigation. It is something I have raised a few times and apparently, they are working on it. #wecops
@kerrimonaghan1
29 September 2021 21:05
@tiggeymay @WeCops #Wecops
@DCCBenSnuggs
29 September 2021 21:05
What about interpreting the material once it's downloaded...? #wecops https://twitter.com/_the_blue_line_/status/1443304940970160136
@mussa_meman
29 September 2021 21:05
@WeCops Not enough trained staff. Availability of IOT in almost every investigation with not enough trained staff, and lack of sufficient investment in back office functions, will/has created a backlog. Further, this area will continue to increase & so should training be embedded #wecops
@ryanjamesP1419
29 September 2021 21:05
@WeCops Prompt onsite or in station facilities and trained people to capture is a huge barrier....almost immediately, many investigations lose their momentum. #WeCops
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:05
#wecops I agree that the more you know, the better you will be able to cope with change / demand, but do you think that specialist units / departments are still worthwhile? https://twitter.com/WecopsCaroline/status/1443305499626192910
@RachelKearton
29 September 2021 21:05
@WeCops I know ?? there's always one! #wecops
@GilesHerdale
29 September 2021 21:06
@WeCops The key issue is recognising that all investigations are now digital investigations and that this is no longer a specialist domain but a core competency. #DII #wecops
@WecopsCaroline
29 September 2021 21:06
#WeCops ooooops!!! Knew I should finish bake-off first!! ????? https://twitter.com/wecopscaroline/status/1443305499626192910
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:06
@mike200hope @WeCops ooops already forgot the hashtag!! #wecops
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:06
@WecopsCaroline @WeCops Oh yes ! I'm not a fan of the 'too difficult box' ! #wecops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:07
@GilesHerdale @WeCops Couldn't agree more!!! THIS!!! But how do we get all on board with that. #wecops
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:07
#wecops 100% agree with this Giles :) https://twitter.com/GilesHerdale/status/1443306128969027587
@PhilAriss
29 September 2021 21:07
@WecopsCaroline @WeCops The role of a DMI / DII shouldn’t exist in the next 5 years, these skills are vital for ALL investigators now, there needs to be a radical change in how we equip our staff for the future threats that digital and cyber poses #wecops
@mike200hope
29 September 2021 21:07
@sallytvalley @WeCops Any resource which can help officers obtain what they need for investigations without having to wait an excessive amount of time due to backlogs etc #wecops
@AlfonsoCareca
29 September 2021 21:07
@WeCops @MaddieTvp The time to analyse/download devices is dreadful for victims, suspects and cops. The backlog on phone exams is eye watering #wecops
@pat_thompson_
29 September 2021 21:07
@WeCops The generic use of the term of "digital" without understanding that it needs to be as specialist, nuanced and multi layered as wet forensics. It's so so much more than "download and do the phone". #wecops
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:07
RT @kerrimonaghan1: And we are off! Not joined in before? Answer the question, comment on it or others answers. Don’t forget the #WeCops (I…
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:07
RT @sallytvalley: Here we go! First question.... #wecops https://twitter.com/WeCops/status/1443304576640327684
@kerrimonaghan1
29 September 2021 21:07
@WeCops Police/cps IT, training, time. #wecops We need to adapt faster to keep up.
@GilesTvp
29 September 2021 21:08
@GilesHerdale @WeCops Absolutely! We just need more people to understand this #wecops
@mussa_meman
29 September 2021 21:08
@WecopsCaroline @WeCops Should be part and parcel of day to day business, just like carrying out a trawl for CCTV, H2H etc is to daily business. You’re not then relying a few to carry out things like phone reads etc. #wecops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:08
@mussa_meman @WeCops What training are you thinking about and for who? #wecops
@WeCops
29 September 2021 21:08
@tiggeymay Don’t forget the #wecops in all your responses ??
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:08
@GilesHerdale @WeCops Definitely! #wecops
@Digital_DSgt
29 September 2021 21:08
@_Danny__S @WeCops Do you think better tools or better processes are needed here? It is possible to be much more targeted with what we extract from devices, so long as it's understood WHAT is needed and WHEN/WHY #wecops
@GilesHerdale
29 September 2021 21:08
@WeCops There are so many potential sources of #digitalevidence so investigators need to identify #reasonablelinesofenquiry in order to prioritise specialist support and manage volumes of material. #DII #wecops
@WecopsCaroline
29 September 2021 21:08
@digital_cassidy For sure, we need specialist units ?? but not so that we pass everything off, we need to be competent too so we identify investigation opportunities #WeCops
@pat_thompson_
29 September 2021 21:09
@WeCops Outside of policing, the disparity in understanding and expectations of what is & what isn't possible and timescales involved from the wider CJS & partners. #wecops
@mussa_meman
29 September 2021 21:09
@sallytvalley @WeCops Response cops being trained to carry out phone read, as opposed to a couple on a team. #wecops
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:09
@b3nd3r_th3_r0bt @WeCops I agree ! Digital isn't just phones ! It's so so much more #wecops
@angrylittleging
29 September 2021 21:09
@WeCops #wecops Due to a lack of skills and training, a digital investigation is all about requesting others to do it for you; more time spent filling in forms explaining investigation than actually investigating.
@WeCops
29 September 2021 21:10
@WeCops hope you are enjoying this DII chat! Thanks to our hosts @DCCBenSnuggs @PSMDigital @sallytvalley @Digital_DSgt @MaddieTvp Please remember to add the #wecops hastag to all your replies! https://t.co/XSZ7rc2ydN
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:10
This is a huge issue but one that I think forces are aware of and trying to deal with, its is difficult in the current financial situation, smarter ways of working and having more conversations are one way of dealing, what else do you think organisations can do? #wecops https://twitter.com/mussa_meman/status/1443306038854356996
@_Danny__S
29 September 2021 21:10
@WecopsCaroline @WeCops To be fair, it could be classed as a peer review or independent download/capture so the investigator stays as such and reviews the captured material. Keeps investigators focused but nothing stopping them being trained to do the same for other colleagues. #wecops
@GilesTvp
29 September 2021 21:10
@b3nd3r_th3_r0bt @WeCops Yes. There are just too many aspects to a "Digital" investigation. #wecops
@PSMDigital
29 September 2021 21:10
@kelshaw_84 @WeCops Agreed resourcing these new and emerging capabilities and upskilling enough officers and staff is an on going challenging @WeCops #wecops
@DCCBenSnuggs
29 September 2021 21:10
How many times have we heard that one - "download and do the phone"? ?? #wecops https://twitter.com/b3nd3r_th3_r0bt/status/1443306515188928519
@pat_thompson_
29 September 2021 21:10
@WeCops ... And (finally) the frustration of ever changing digital fitting into a legal system based on precedent! (Not sure how to change that one though!) ?? #wecops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:10
@PhilAriss @WecopsCaroline @WeCops Not that I want to be out of a job but yes we need upskill all but is there no role for a specialist DMI role? #wecops
@RunningSc0tsman
29 September 2021 21:10
@WeCops Where do we start? A lack of officers trained to download phones etc. A lack of time/technology available to assist frontline officers to review the material downloaded (these can be in excess of 100k pages..not including media files. #wecops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:11
@tiggeymay @WeCops Would love to know more! #wecops
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:11
@AlfonsoCareca @WeCops So your saying more time for officers to analyse or faster downloading equipment? Or both #wecops
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:11
This is an issue I have encountered, it is a huge frustration, what other ways could there be to address this issue? #wecops https://twitter.com/ryanjamesP1419/status/1443306052553003015
@DCCBenSnuggs
29 September 2021 21:11
We are! #wecops https://twitter.com/WeCops/status/1443307089934356482
@kerrimonaghan1
29 September 2021 21:11
@smaguire4621 @WeCops @MaddieTvp #wecops
@PSMDigital
29 September 2021 21:11
@sallytvalley @PhilAriss @WecopsCaroline @WeCops There is always room for a specialist DMI capability I can assure you :) #wecops @WeCops
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:12
Digital disclosure is a enormous issue and one I work with everyday. The amount of data a low level investigation can generate is huge. What other solutions are there? #wecops https://twitter.com/_Danny__S/status/1443305683525455872
@PSMDigital
29 September 2021 21:12
@PhilAriss @WeCops Analytical capability to be increased in forces for specialists and/or officers? #wecops
@ryanjamesP1419
29 September 2021 21:12
@WeCops Us dinosaurs also need to up skill and keep up with what's possible!!! #wecops
@angrylittleging
29 September 2021 21:12
@WeCops #wecops Also because investigators don’t have access themselves, often not fully aware of what they can get, so don’t get the best product/evidence because they haven’t asked the right question of the analyst/whoever is completing request.
@GilesTvp
29 September 2021 21:12
@_the_blue_line_ @WeCops I agree with you that this can be a big problem. There are sometimes situations when we can download on scene and have the data ready for an interview. but most of the time they are sent off. #wecops
@Digital_DSgt
29 September 2021 21:13
@b3nd3r_th3_r0bt @WeCops Very true! It's also important that it isn't considered as a "specialism" and not something that all investigators need to have SOME knowledge about #wecops
@KHannam33
29 September 2021 21:13
@PSMDigital @kelshaw_84 @WeCops Further complicated by the need to adhere to Forensic Science Regulators codes of practice including compliance to #iso17025 #wecops
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:13
@b3nd3r_th3_r0bt @WeCops The only constant is change ????????? #wecops
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:13
Agreed, we need to be flexible, efficient and try and work together more efficiently. What else could we do? #wecops https://twitter.com/kerrimonaghan1/status/1443306557341671425
@uk_ipa
29 September 2021 21:13
@WeCops #wecops
@_Danny__S
29 September 2021 21:14
@Digital_DSgt @WeCops Access to the right equipment to give the option of what is needed. Police tend to have outdated equipment for years because the ‘budget’ doesn’t allow for upgrades or changes. Better process helps understanding the tools but only better tools can create a better access #wecops
@MJA_1_DMI
29 September 2021 21:14
@Lothy1980 @WeCops Do you think we should try and download less data or review less of the data we do obtain? I think we should certainly target less data, narrow the focus to ensure more relevant data... #wecops
@FyldeFan
29 September 2021 21:14
@RachelKearton @WeCops I know some forces are trialling the use of cloud based access. Has to be the simplest and most cost effective solution? #wecops
@PhilAriss
29 September 2021 21:14
@sallytvalley @WecopsCaroline @WeCops If we focus on the digital strategy of an investigation, sure, but the ancillary parts that DMI’s do, it should all be routine - we should be teaching this stuff in initial training #wecops
@mussa_meman
29 September 2021 21:14
@digital_cassidy I think that back office functions, amount of staff to deal with requests and training can be an after thought. We should get this in order first, all work being carried out by DMIU should be spread between enough ??????????staff until we reach a point it’s daily business #wecops
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:15
@Lothy1980 @WeCops Agreed. More time for officers to review or faster equipment or both? ????????? #wecops
@GilesTvp
29 September 2021 21:16
@PhilAriss @WeCops @PhilAriss do you think it's more important to have better/faster processes to download the data or more staff and better processes to interpret the data we currently get? #wecops
@AlfonsoCareca
29 September 2021 21:16
@MaddieTvp @WeCops More analysts not officers. Analysts are sensational assets very under resourced and under appreciated in modern policing. Plus much more investment in tech to break and download devices #wecops
@kerrimonaghan1
29 September 2021 21:16
@mussa_meman @WecopsCaroline @WeCops Absolutely I agree. Do we have the tools and training for that though? How costly would this be? #wecops
@PSMDigital
29 September 2021 21:16
@PhilAriss @sallytvalley @WecopsCaroline @WeCops We are raising awareness of digital investigation opportunities but this has only recently started so will take time to embed and then of course everything keeps changing ...#wecops @WeCops @CollegeofPolice
@Digital_DSgt
29 September 2021 21:16
THIS. Every investigation has digital elements. It's knowing when to ask for support to ensure that we can capture digital evidence, process and present it at court correctly and legally #wecops https://twitter.com/GilesHerdale/status/1443306128969027587
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:17
So true, understanding this and working with departments who think this way is the only way forward #wecops https://twitter.com/b3nd3r_th3_r0bt/status/1443306515188928519
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:17
@RunningSc0tsman @WeCops The better technology gets the more data is harvested! It's only going to get more and more ????????? #wecops
@kerrimonaghan1
29 September 2021 21:17
@MaddieTvp @b3nd3r_th3_r0bt @WeCops Definitely! When I think how easy some warrants used to be looking for a giant PC. Not anymore! Data can be stored in so many ways #WeCops
@uk_ipa
29 September 2021 21:18
@MaddieTvp @mike200hope @WeCops Not enough teams in many forces #wecops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:18
@PhilAriss @WecopsCaroline @WeCops But how does that deal with the constantly evolving nature of this. Surely initial training can only cover the basics? DMI's can evolve as the workforce upskills? #wecops
@RunningSc0tsman
29 September 2021 21:18
@WeCops Getting the job done shouldn’t be the difficult bit of policing. The systems and processes need to be there. Sadly that’s not always the case. #wecops
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:19
@ryanjamesP1419 @WeCops Dinosaurs can learn this stuff too #wecops I am living proof of that ???????????
@mussa_meman
29 September 2021 21:19
@sallytvalley @WeCops Look at how we have rolled out other stuff. File submissions, AG Disclosure Guidance. We should get our house in order so that everything else flows naturally. May be difficult to achieve but there has to be a way. #wecops
@_Danny__S
29 September 2021 21:19
@digital_cassidy There aren’t. Disclosure is more important than a prosecution. If it’s not done right then there is potentially no prosecution. CPS and the law makers need to look at this to make it streamlined. Unless it is pushed under a professional review. #wecops
@AlfonsoCareca
29 September 2021 21:19
@DCCBenSnuggs Both serious crime and divisional CID need more analysts. @intelanalystuk And there needs to be better means of downloading devices quicker. #wecops
@kerrimonaghan1
29 September 2021 21:19
@Lothy1980 @MaddieTvp @WeCops #WeCops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:19
@AlfonsoCareca @MaddieTvp @WeCops Agree that analysts are worth their weight in gold but surely not the only answer? #wecops
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:19
We need some case law! I agree! Hopefully soon the courts can set some precedents #wecops https://twitter.com/b3nd3r_th3_r0bt/status/1443307240572792838
@WeCops
29 September 2021 21:20
Question 2 : Intelligence With a constantly evolving digital media environment, how can we use intelligence effectively to deliver better outcomes and keep victims safe from harm? #wecops https://t.co/7CtW5NSbzU
@mussa_meman
29 September 2021 21:20
@kerrimonaghan1 @WecopsCaroline @WeCops It may well be costly initially, but what will the long term savings be? #WeCops
@Lothy1980
29 September 2021 21:20
@kerrimonaghan1 @MaddieTvp @WeCops Oops #wecops
@GilesTvp
29 September 2021 21:20
@PhilAriss @WecopsCaroline @WeCops @PhilAriss I agree that all investigators need to be upskilled. However, the very nature of computing moves so quickly and our processes need to change so quickly it can be hard to keep up to date. I think the role of DMI will always be needed just for this reason #wecops
@GilesHerdale
29 September 2021 21:21
@DCCBenSnuggs Yes we can and should do better nationally at #capability development and deployment. At the moment there is a lot of duplication of effort and lack of standardisation. #WeCops #DII
@uk_ipa
29 September 2021 21:21
@WeCops More training for analysts & researchers, not just the ‘specialist’ ones #wecops
@kerrimonaghan1
29 September 2021 21:22
@mussa_meman @WecopsCaroline @WeCops Really it should be about outcomes for victims not cost. (In an ideal world!) #wecops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:22
Question 2 came around quick..... #wecops https://twitter.com/WeCops/status/1443309606600691717
@mussa_meman
29 September 2021 21:22
@WeCops Are we using AI to help us with this? #WeCops
@pat_thompson_
29 September 2021 21:22
@WeCops Better use of machine learning / sentiment analysis and predictive analysis across data sets. Use the volume of data that exists in constabularies across multiple crime types to predict patterns of behaviour to inform risk assessments #wecops
@WeCops
29 September 2021 21:23
@PhilAriss @sallytvalley @WecopsCaroline Don’t forget the #wecops with every tweet ??
@GilesHerdale
29 September 2021 21:23
@sallytvalley @WeCops It is fundamentally a leadership issue. Not just at @PoliceChiefs level but operational leaders and supervisors, esp #SIO #wecops #DII
@DCCBenSnuggs
29 September 2021 21:23
Better analytics across our datasets... #wecops https://twitter.com/sallytvalley/status/1443310134546124800
@PSMDigital
29 September 2021 21:23
@uk_ipa @WeCops Agreed Digital Analysts would be a great investment. Have to look in to the upskilling for that. #wecops
@KatieMagnet
29 September 2021 21:23
Use a national input . That's is agreed on . No my playpit is bigger than yours mentality. #wecops allowing national.intelligence in a easy read format. https://twitter.com/WeCops/status/1443309606600691717
@St4mp3r1
29 September 2021 21:24
@WeCops Continuous Professional Development is Key here. What may be taught today, may no longer be available 3 months later. #wecops
@RachelKearton
29 September 2021 21:24
@mussa_meman @WeCops With the volumes of digital data now and increasing, this has got to be in need of exploring #wecops
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:24
Agreed, showing a desire to learning and have the opportunity to do so is vital #wecops https://twitter.com/St4mp3r1/status/1443310409063321600
@pat_thompson_
29 September 2021 21:24
@WeCops For intelligence (not case work) focus less on minutiae and gather more data to really start mining patterns and behaviours. We could learn a lot from private sector marketing on this. #wecops
@FyldeFan
29 September 2021 21:24
RT @uk_ipa: @WeCops More training for analysts & researchers, not just the ‘specialist’ ones #wecops
@GilesTvp
29 September 2021 21:24
@b3nd3r_th3_r0bt @WeCops I think this would be a game-changer when it happens. I've been to a few conferences talking about this. I hope it comes soon #WeCops
@Digital_DSgt
29 September 2021 21:24
@b3nd3r_th3_r0bt @WeCops Absolutely! #cloud data is just one area where the legislation is YEARS behind the technology #wecops
@NickHerceg
29 September 2021 21:24
@GilesHerdale @WeCops Completely agree with this; does the issue become one of procurement/resourcing though in having access to the tools required to go with that competency? (I’m thinking of the literal thousands of live investigations just in our command area) Or can we provide for it? #wecops
@_Danny__S
29 September 2021 21:24
@WeCops Depends on what you need to achieve? Barriers will include RIPA and CAB departments. Also preservation orders but also where and who owns the media. A lot is foreign based companies and will they give it? A lot of devices in the world so what becomes the priority? #wecops
@DCCBenSnuggs
29 September 2021 21:25
Behaviours, adoption, culture, leadership are all so critical to this. I think we are making huge strides and, yet, loads more to do #WeCops https://twitter.com/GilesHerdale/status/1443310489551917070
@tacmedcop
29 September 2021 21:25
@WeCops Lack of training, understanding of investigative options with digital data, lack of trained operatives, length of time to obtain digital data. #WeCops
@YorksDetective
29 September 2021 21:25
@WeCops #WeCops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:25
@GilesHerdale @WeCops @PoliceChiefs Very much agree but how do we get them on board? This is a big challenge. #wecops
@NickHerceg
29 September 2021 21:26
@tiggeymay @WeCops Given that disclosure is such an issue still since January even with the most basic investigations, I can only imagine the headaches it causes with some of the high-volume/data in some departments!! #wecops
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:27
@b3nd3r_th3_r0bt @WeCops I agree. Learning from existing models is key ????????? #wecops
@FyldeFan
29 September 2021 21:27
@WeCops Data mining AI software can be really useful. Similarly, software capable of running property descriptions against large online auction sites such as eBay in order to recover and repatriate property to victims #WeCops
@KatieMagnet
29 September 2021 21:27
#wecops https://twitter.com/KatieMagnet/status/1443311362042699776
@GilesHerdale
29 September 2021 21:28
@sallytvalley @WeCops @PoliceChiefs More exposure is key. I used to say that no chief constable had ever worked in #digitalforensics or #cyber - understanding should be a core competency #WeCops #DII
@KHannam33
29 September 2021 21:28
@GilesTvp @b3nd3r_th3_r0bt @WeCops Challenge is access to data sets and centralised storage to support these technologies. Cloud data management needs to be employed in policing to support digital investigation transformation. #WeCops
@pat_thompson_
29 September 2021 21:28
@WeCops Eek!! #wecops
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:29
That would be extremely useful as an investigative tool, especially for an officer / staff member involved in serious / acquisitive crime like burglary / robbery so that they can direct their enquiries more efficiently #wecops https://twitter.com/FyldeFan/status/1443311482448617477
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:29
@YorksDetective @WeCops Setting parameters!! This is often overlooked with a sentence I hate #wedontknowwhatwedontknow as an excuse to look at everything.... Do we consider digital strategy enough? #wecops
@tiggeymay
29 September 2021 21:29
@WeCops Triangulating the multiple data sources available: from police intelligence, to suspect history, to victim and witness accounts, sometimes in the digital sphere data sources are seen as singular sources and not joined together. Sentiment analysis an untapped resource #WeCops
@GilesHerdale
29 September 2021 21:29
@DCCBenSnuggs Agree visible leadership is vital. Is there a @PoliceChiefs lead for #DII? #WeCops
@FyldeFan
29 September 2021 21:29
@WeCops More and better use of digital investigation processes and software to manage convicted sex offenders and police sexual harm prevention orders. Used this in my old force and levels of transgression by offenders was frightening #WeCops
@kerrimonaghan1
29 September 2021 21:30
@WeCops Using software? Tech to help with tech #wecops
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:30
That is very true, though I have never heard of the term "Sentiment analysis" can you explain what that means? :) #wecops https://twitter.com/tiggeymay/status/1443311953821282316
@ryanjamesP1419
29 September 2021 21:31
@WeCops Like verbal or written information does digital just need to be graded and cooberated = warrant = body = outcome??? #wecops
@DCCBenSnuggs
29 September 2021 21:31
Currently no. Cyber and Information well covered though... Necessary do you think? #WeCops https://twitter.com/GilesHerdale/status/1443312032464482312
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:31
@GilesHerdale @WeCops @PoliceChiefs Agreed. Any @PoliceChiefs welcome to visit us as we love to spread the digital word. #wecops
@PSMDigital
29 September 2021 21:31
@GilesHerdale @DCCBenSnuggs @PoliceChiefs Unfortunately not. We have @policechiefs NPCC leads for each separate discipline but not the overarching DII which is something missing, in my opinion. #DII #wecops
@RachelKearton
29 September 2021 21:31
@WeCops #wecops - sorry!
@FyldeFan
29 September 2021 21:32
@digital_cassidy I agree, Chris. Invariably property is identified by victims doing exactly that. Even then police response can be poor. I'm sure this is due to lack of confidence/ training #WeCops
@KatieMagnet
29 September 2021 21:32
@kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops There are many things in place for Athena, Connect and Niche to self solve issues. However totally understand after 12 hrs shift not workable or in the wellbeing of staff . #wecops
@GilesHerdale
29 September 2021 21:32
@PSMDigital @uk_ipa @WeCops Investing in developing a cadre of #data analysts and scientists nationally is key to exploiting available data #DACOP #WeCops #DII
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:32
@kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops Such a great idea but what do you think is stopping police doing this ? #wecops
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:33
That is a worrying trend and an area of policing full of serious risk and complex issues. #wecops https://twitter.com/FyldeFan/status/1443312076399730691
@GilesHerdale
29 September 2021 21:33
@DCCBenSnuggs There is a big issue of joining the dots on pockets of capabilities that need coherence and integration for maximum effect #DII #WeCops
@mussa_meman
29 September 2021 21:33
@AlfonsoCareca @sallytvalley @WeCops If given sufficient training, allowed to practice and learn as they develop, I am sure many will embrace change. Unfortunately, what we sometimes do is cascade training, or it’s delivered through the cheapest and quickest possible means, as opposed to the most efficient #WeCops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:33
@AlfonsoCareca @mussa_meman @WeCops Oh yes! If I had a pound for every time I heard #idontdodigital arrggghhhh #wecops
@Digital_DSgt
29 September 2021 21:34
@RachelKearton @WeCops Ma'am - do you think this is best approached from the provider side or more trust in data obtained by prosecutors, i.e. a better understanding of digital evidence? #wecops
@RyderMaria2
29 September 2021 21:34
@WeCops Volume of material, disclosure, apps which delete material, encryption, taking victims phones, inability to unlock suspects phones, conversations between victims/suspects across multiple platforms, officers understanding of call data, what to ask for & understand results #wecops
@kerrimonaghan1
29 September 2021 21:35
@MaddieTvp @WeCops The police in general being behind the curve. Probably due to not having the funding to be on the front foot. Big tech companies blow us out of the water. #wecops
@aloukes1
29 September 2021 21:35
@angrylittleging @WeCops #wecops I think a key area is in making straightforward tools to compliment the training for more general investigators. All the tools seem to needs specialist training.
@FyldeFan
29 September 2021 21:35
@tiggeymay @WeCops Use of open source data is also under utilised. The financial services industry is keen to develop this to reduce fraud and money laundering for example. Endless opportunities #WeCops
@GilesHerdale
29 September 2021 21:36
@mussa_meman @WeCops There is a lot more scope to use #machinelearning and #automation in policing. But requires care and clear oversight to maintain public trust #datadrivenpolicing #dataethics #WeCops
@WeCops
29 September 2021 21:36
@St4mp3r1 @FyldeFan Don’t forget the #wecops with every tweet ?? @St4mp3r1
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:36
@AlfonsoCareca @MaddieTvp @WeCops Ha ha yes the whole team does! Except me... #wecops
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:36
@kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops 100% it's infuriating when we all know what is achievable ???????????? #wecops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:37
@St4mp3r1 @FyldeFan @WeCops Don't forget #wecops
@YorksDetective
29 September 2021 21:37
@sallytvalley @WeCops We don't unfortunately. Colleagues worried may miss something or are asked by CPS, Counsel, Defence about said parameters. Early engagement with Defence is key as is training for investigators and supervisors to give confidence and competence in making sound decisions #wecops
@tacmedcop
29 September 2021 21:37
@WeCops 1st, improve working partnerships and data sharing with Social Media companies, I have seen a huge rise in SM enabled crime and often face barriers accessing data from SM platforms. 2nd, improved recording, cross force sharing and analysis of intel from OCG/drug phones #WeCops
@KHannam33
29 September 2021 21:37
@GilesHerdale @PSMDigital @uk_ipa @WeCops I think Data Scientists are a key requirement in modern policing. I don’t think the value they could bring is currently understood #wecops
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:37
This is true, we will always be behind as we don't develop these devices / software. Having the ability/skills/desire to try and identify the issues, solve the problem when we can and have that drive and curiosity to keep pushing is what we can do #wecops https://twitter.com/kerrimonaghan1/status/1443313440752349187
@DCCBenSnuggs
29 September 2021 21:37
Working well with tech companies and the academic sector is important: academic rigour + public safety/ security + industry expertise and resource #WeCops https://twitter.com/kerrimonaghan1/status/1443313440752349187
@AlfonsoCareca
29 September 2021 21:38
@sallytvalley @MaddieTvp @WeCops And as the DI you probably see the most!!! #WeCops
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:38
Well it tasted pretty heavenly boss ;) #WeCops https://twitter.com/SomersetBear/status/1443314006622674949
@Rank_Success
29 September 2021 21:39
@WeCops @DCCBenSnuggs @PSMDigital @sallytvalley @Digital_DSgt @MaddieTvp Some food for thought “Change will never be this slow again….this present moment used to be the unimaginable future.” https://ranksuccess.wordpress.com/2021/05/11/investigating-the-future/ #Wecops @Wecops #Digital #Investigation
@DCCBenSnuggs
29 September 2021 21:39
This is a really good point Kay. #WeCops https://twitter.com/pinkes3/status/1443314026163982349
@_Danny__S
29 September 2021 21:39
@MaddieTvp @kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops I say procurement departments. They have to check a number of similar companies to show fairness and impartiality but that takes time by people who don’t have a clue and then Buy the overinflated one without the add-ons #wecops cynical I know. Sorry. (Not sorry)
@FyldeFan
29 September 2021 21:39
@digital_cassidy Predominantly used trained officers using Wi-fi router examination and subsequent physical algorithm checks. Virtually 100% hit rate across all risk categories. #WeCops
@WeCops
29 September 2021 21:40
Question 3: Training and Continuous Professional Development With so many demands upon policing (especially time) how do we address the ongoing training and CPD needs for the digital elements of most investigations? #WeCops https://t.co/Mo0MBqfMJn
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:40
@FyldeFan @tiggeymay @WeCops Totally agree! Such a valuable tool in our box. #wecops
@RachelKearton
29 September 2021 21:40
@Digital_DSgt @WeCops #wecops doh!
@GilesHerdale
29 September 2021 21:40
@pinkes3 @PSMDigital @uk_ipa @WeCops Agree this is critical. #datascience skills are in such demand across workforce that understanding and valuing these in policing context is vital. Another reason why #leadership is so critical #DACOP #wecops
@aloukes1
29 September 2021 21:40
@St4mp3r1 @FyldeFan @WeCops Not aware of anything specific, but have had discussions about putting together a trial using free/open source software, would be interested if anyone wanted to discuss more….DM me #wecops
@NickHerceg
29 September 2021 21:41
@WeCops I feel like this is a question from a #wecops edition of QI to see who says ‘NCALT’ first...??
@hantsneelondon
29 September 2021 21:41
@AlfonsoCareca @DCCBenSnuggs I obviously agree! The amount of data within investigations has increased exponentially and the assimilation and interpretation of it is critical. Analysts are central to this but more are needed and they need digital training and continual CPD #WeCops
@St4mp3r1
29 September 2021 21:41
@aloukes1 @FyldeFan @WeCops That's good to know. Thank-you very much! #WeCops
@aloukes1
29 September 2021 21:42
@b3nd3r_th3_r0bt @WeCops Also to be really open minded about what data might answer the question. #wecops
@Digital_DSgt
29 September 2021 21:43
@NickHerceg @WeCops Hem hem I think you mean #CollegeLearn ?? #wecops
@GilesTvp
29 September 2021 21:43
@NickHerceg @WeCops #wecops
@GilesHerdale
29 September 2021 21:43
@WeCops It should be a core competency with mandatory #CPD built in. We do this for functions such as #officersafety #publicorder #AFO so should recognise it is key to C21 policing #DII #WeCops
@pat_thompson_
29 September 2021 21:43
@WeCops It's impossible to upskill entire departments properly. Forces have tried that and failed (hence this conversation!) The focus needs to be on increasing general awareness of the possibilities (akin to a crime scene) and then really focus on specialists who can advise #wecops
@ktbg1
29 September 2021 21:43
@WeCops This is where our @ThamesVP DII team are bringing so much value! We have fabulous trainers working with the DII DC’s to review, evaluate, build and the deliver the training across the force #gamechanger #wecops
@mussa_meman
29 September 2021 21:44
@WeCops Initially, make it part of all new recruit training. Packages written by the SME and increase the length of courses. Same for initial CID courses or not already included. Use training days(forces that do have them) to intro/up skill. Some may pay for it themselves #WeCops
@WecopsCaroline
29 September 2021 21:44
@WeCops Was training someone the other day abs she said, ‘Explain it to me like I’m a 2 year old’ - that’s stuck with me, pretty much what I need when we start talking the new tech language! I’m not stupid I can get there, but it takes time - investment #WeCops
@FyldeFan
29 September 2021 21:44
@WeCops I think comprehensive training should be provided to all new student constables in year one. Quarterly updates to be accessible to all officers to highlight trends, new case law and technological developments to keep knowledge levels current #WeCops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:44
Question 3 already…. #wecops https://twitter.com/wecops/status/1443314639975157763
@uk_ipa
29 September 2021 21:44
@WeCops Challenging! Probably about embedding it within all training in some format. Basic, CID etc perhaps #wecops
@KatieMagnet
29 September 2021 21:44
Never make it NCALT like . More is learnt through discussion in a classroom of each person's weakness in the area. The trainer obviously needs Haribo or vegan alternative to give out. #wecops https://twitter.com/WeCops/status/1443314639975157763
@aloukes1
29 September 2021 21:44
@_Danny__S @MaddieTvp @kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops Low risk procurement is a problem across public sector! Finding a way to motivate procurement teams to really engage with the operational problems is the key, I think. #wecops
@_Danny__S
29 September 2021 21:45
@WeCops Keep it all simple. Not everyone understands the digital world - some struggle turning on devices let alone data mining. NCALT is not viable. Not everyone uses knowledge hub. Who remembers Fighting Fantasy Books? Training packages that skip bits people know. #wecops 1 of ?
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:45
Great idea - Op Modify is the latest training effort to do just that :) #wecops https://twitter.com/b3nd3r_th3_r0bt/status/1443315639528136710
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:45
@WecopsCaroline @WeCops A technique we adopted when explaining all things Cyber... Tell me like I'm 5! Works very well #wecops
@PSMDigital
29 September 2021 21:45
@mussa_meman @WeCops Absolutely #opmodify and #digitalpolicingfoundation1 and both now part of the PCDA initial training offer @CollegeofPolice #wecops
@Digital_DSgt
29 September 2021 21:45
@b3nd3r_th3_r0bt @WeCops How would you determine what topics officers need to know? With the area of #digital so broad, how do you baseline people's knowledge? #wecops
@DCCBenSnuggs
29 September 2021 21:45
As well as really effective links with industry and academic partners, many of which are regularly researching and scanning, coupled with the good use of volunteers in policing #WeCops https://twitter.com/GilesHerdale/status/1443315608951660551
@tiggeymay
29 September 2021 21:45
@WeCops Training has to be seen as essential; better trained officers conduct time efficient, professional investigations, training is a win win. Training is an investment, it's an essential component of a competent, happy officer. #WeCops
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:46
@b3nd3r_th3_r0bt @WeCops So like real life senerios, AR / VR or mentoring on the job? ????????? #wecops
@GilesHerdale
29 September 2021 21:46
@DCCBenSnuggs There is a lot more we could do if we organised ourselves. Such as a national programme working with @DataSciCampus @AlanTuringInsti to build a cadre #DACOP #DII #WeCops
@mike200hope
29 September 2021 21:46
@WeCops Perhaps s certain amount of awareness training for all staff and then additional training for some officers on teams to help them develop others more informally as they conduct investigations #wecops
@FyldeFan
29 September 2021 21:46
@WeCops Standardised training re interrogation of Excel and the main digital reports to include digital disclosure management documents and how to complete #WeCops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:46
@tiggeymay @WeCops But how is this best delivered? Is face to face or online the way forward? #wecops
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:47
That's a fantastic idea and something I know a lot of forces are looking to try and attempt. Keep pushing, keep improving and keep the conversation moving forward around digital, highlight it to your SMT/bosses and push the digital agenda #wecops https://twitter.com/mussa_meman/status/1443315654409531393
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:47
@GilesHerdale @WeCops I like this idea ! I mean. Your not wrong. ????????? #wecops
@richard_dancey
29 September 2021 21:47
@WeCops CPD inputs and reviews are something that used to happen, so that should be a separate debate. I’d suggest forces have an opportunity to tap into the generational knowhow of new PCDA / DHEP entrants. Let’s ask the people who use and understand the digital landscape best. #wecops
@kerrimonaghan1
29 September 2021 21:47
@WeCops Innovate! Think of new ways to get the messages across via tech. #wecops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:47
@mike200hope @WeCops Which officers should get more? Do you mean DMI's? #wecops
@GilesHerdale
29 September 2021 21:47
@DCCBenSnuggs Absolutely agree Ben - a lot more we can do here. Role of @PoliceChiefs #CSA @ProfPaulTaylor is key here #DII #WeCops
@tiggeymay
29 September 2021 21:47
@sallytvalley @WeCops Not online, it's just not the same. #WeCops
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:48
@WecopsCaroline @WeCops Thats exactly it. A one size fits all doesn't work with any kind of training ????????? #wecops
@aloukes1
29 September 2021 21:48
@mussa_meman @WeCops AI/ML would definitely help in the future but just some basic automation of things that analysts do could help massively. #WalkBeforeRun also what @GilesHerdale said. #wecops
@Digital_DSgt
29 September 2021 21:48
@uk_ipa @WeCops Absolutely! Our digital trainers have recently finished updating the #digital inputs on both our DHEP/PCDA courses and the CID course. But how would you suggest upskilling all those currently in role? #wecops
@ryanjamesP1419
29 September 2021 21:48
@WeCops When the facilities and tools are readily available you can then set a CPD that people can achieve. Before then it's just words in a PDR #wecops
@PSMDigital
29 September 2021 21:48
@tiggeymay @WeCops I couldn't agree with you more. Investment in training always pays off. This is a challenging area though with the ever evolving opportunities and capabilities! #wecops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:48
@tiggeymay @WeCops But do we have enough time to allow us to be in the classroom? #wecops
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:48
Agreed, better training = better / confident officers who are self-motivated and digitally aware :) #wecops https://twitter.com/tiggeymay/status/1443316142974586881
@_Danny__S
29 September 2021 21:48
@WeCops RIPA & CAB depts have the ‘Spoc’ books under lock and key for some areas and they don’t share. People don’t know what they can and can’t get. Same with phones, watches, TV’s, Vehicles or even plus and light bulbs. So a play book made by DII’s around the country might help #wecops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:49
@kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops Would a podcast work do you think? Something we are thinking about.... #wecops
@PSMDigital
29 September 2021 21:50
@Digital_DSgt @b3nd3r_th3_r0bt @WeCops We work with SMEs and policing communities to prioritise content for training but there are always gaps and further requirements as soon as you've produced one piece of training you need to create more .. #wecops
@RachelKearton
29 September 2021 21:50
@WeCops #wecops
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:50
@GilesHerdale @WeCops I love this ! I mean you're not wrong. ????????? #wecops
@_Danny__S
29 September 2021 21:50
@aloukes1 @MaddieTvp @kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops Agree to a point. They tend to go with path of least resistance if the risk of not doing something sits with them. They can account for why they didn’t buy or help when asked. But the red tape also means they tend to buy what they think is right. #wecops
@aloukes1
29 September 2021 21:50
@pinkes3 @GilesHerdale @PSMDigital @uk_ipa @WeCops The integration of different levels of data science skills is important. There are skills that could be applied by general investigators which increase the value of highly skilled data scientists. #wecops
@St4mp3r1
29 September 2021 21:50
@richard_dancey @WeCops Interesting point around PCDA/DHEP! How (aside from asking) would you formally bring them in on this? #WeCops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:51
@_Danny__S @WeCops Absolutely!! Share is the key to upskilling. DMI's are a great resource ideally placed to do this. #wecops
@kerrimonaghan1
29 September 2021 21:51
@sallytvalley @WeCops Yes I think so. Especially if it can go out to officers phones. Beat the drudgery of e-learning. Also would be available for people to listen to when they need it. #wecops
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:51
@sallytvalley @kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops Now your talking ! ????????? #wecops
@DCCBenSnuggs
29 September 2021 21:51
Can we afford not to make the time? Does it need to be 'in the classroom'? #WeCops https://twitter.com/sallytvalley/status/1443316848255189002
@Digital_DSgt
29 September 2021 21:51
@_Danny__S @WeCops Very interesting, in terms of training then - what would you suggest as an alternative to online learning that would be able to cover all officers who need to be trained? #wecops
@GilesTvp
29 September 2021 21:52
@GilesHerdale @WeCops Absolutely #WeCops
@RimmerCarolyn
29 September 2021 21:52
@GilesHerdale @DCCBenSnuggs @DataSciCampus @AlanTuringInsti We are striving to pick some of this up under the NPCC Digital portfolio with key academic partners such as above #wecops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:52
@kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops Ahhhh maybe we could ask for you to #testdrive a pilot episode for us? #wecops
@KatieMagnet
29 September 2021 21:52
@DCCBenSnuggs With respect millions have already been spent . Work with it . Invest in basic IT within forces. Allow the systems to work . reinventing the wheel is a waste of tax payers money. #wecops this started with the leadership of no knowledge of IT spending funds. Again with respect.
@tiggeymay
29 September 2021 21:52
@mike200hope @WeCops Peer to peer learning has proved to be successful.I think it should definitely be part of the training toolkit. #WeCops
@mike200hope
29 September 2021 21:52
@sallytvalley @WeCops For instance all members of a response team are trained to a base level. Smaller number on the team with interest and aptitude receive more training and can support/develop others #wecops
@DCCBenSnuggs
29 September 2021 21:52
Great news and most welcome Carolyn. #WeCops https://twitter.com/RimmerCarolyn/status/1443317694900719619
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:52
Great idea, what were you thinking? Zoom/Teams? Twitter? MMS/SMS? :) #wecops https://twitter.com/kerrimonaghan1/status/1443316525239316484
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:52
@RachelKearton @WeCops I agree 100% especially with digital crimes dominating digital awareness needs to be taught day 1 ! ????????? #wecops
@_Danny__S
29 September 2021 21:52
@PSMDigital @WeCops @mussa_meman @CollegeofPolice I would say that’s a good think but the newbies grew up with this tech. I grew up with the BBC Micro and Commodore 64. They know what tech / apps and devices can do. Not everyone is as aware. Training should be offered to all. #wecops
@PhilAriss
29 September 2021 21:53
@WeCops There is so much to be gained (time allowing) for collaboration, not only between forces and regions, but across agencies in the public sector. Lots of duplication of effort #wecops
@GilesTvp
29 September 2021 21:54
@b3nd3r_th3_r0bt @WeCops Let them knows what's possible then where to seek help on how to do it? #WeCops
@RachelKearton
29 September 2021 21:54
@St4mp3r1 @richard_dancey @WeCops #wecops selecting recruits for a digital world is a start, rather than the ability to complete a bleep test. We deselect many with these skills before they get through the door
@WeCops
29 September 2021 21:55
RT @RachelKearton: @St4mp3r1 @richard_dancey @WeCops #wecops selecting recruits for a digital world is a start, rather than the ability to…
@_Danny__S
29 September 2021 21:55
@sallytvalley @WeCops Yes. That’s why the knowledge hub is there, but it needs to evolve further. Forums are okay but I don’t want to scroll 34 pages to find something. A play book of the digital world should exist. Everyone has an input from CSI’s to SIO’s and CPS. #wecops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:55
@kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops We'll be in touch when we have it ready! #wecops
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:55
Before I became a police officer I didnt understand the 'Drug world' but I learned because its my job. It should be the same for digital ????????? #wecops https://twitter.com/_Danny__S/status/1443315985004564481
@tiggeymay
29 September 2021 21:55
@sallytvalley @WeCops I don't necessarily think you need to be in the classroom, peer to peer teaching/learning (from someone who is actually trained), a bit of classroom learning, with online revision notes #WeCops
@St4mp3r1
29 September 2021 21:55
@_Danny__S @PSMDigital @WeCops @mussa_meman @CollegeofPolice I loved the commodore tape deck ;-) #WeCops
@DCCBenSnuggs
29 September 2021 21:55
You are right, lots of investment. Maintaining good day to day capability as well as developing it well for the future are both key. Analytics across systems is where we can do more #WeCops https://twitter.com/KatieMagnet/status/1443317730266988551
@pat_thompson_
29 September 2021 21:55
@GilesTvp @WeCops Exactly this #WeCops
@richard_dancey
29 September 2021 21:55
@St4mp3r1 @WeCops Not thought it through in detail, but some kind of ‘360 deg’ training might be a good starting point as part of their initial programme. Forces can learn from staff every bit as much as they can teach them #wecops
@aloukes1
29 September 2021 21:56
@GilesHerdale @WeCops Agree but also, just like other areas of policing you need the right tools to compliment new skills. Excel doesn’t cut it. #wecops
@GilesHerdale
29 September 2021 21:56
@DCCBenSnuggs Some great work going in that @RimmerCarolyn is leading for @FCNnetwork #digitalresearchgroup #DII #WeCops
@GilesTvp
29 September 2021 21:56
@RachelKearton @WeCops So ask new applicants to policing that they have to have a certain level of computing knowledge before they can apply? #WeCops
@kerrimonaghan1
29 September 2021 21:56
@digital_cassidy Yes maybe some 60 second learning videos, engaging, fresh. Teams Q and As. “DII for dummies” - like the books basics #wecops
@_Danny__S
29 September 2021 21:56
@Digital_DSgt @WeCops In force training with material generated centrally (like NCALT but in a class room). Use the feed back, go hands on, show people and give them options. Some will be interested others won’t. Saves clicking ‘next’ just for NCALT 100% pass #wecops
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:57
@sallytvalley @kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops Now you're talking ! ????????? #wecops
@NickHerceg
29 September 2021 21:58
@RachelKearton @St4mp3r1 @richard_dancey @WeCops I think there’s merit in this boss - without going off-piste, do you think we are approaching a point of starting to consider our benchmarking for recruitment to almost a two-tier approach where so much of our business is going digital (as opposed to on the street)? #wecops
@_Danny__S
29 September 2021 21:58
@St4mp3r1 @PSMDigital @WeCops @mussa_meman @CollegeofPolice Until the pencil had to come out to wind it up when chewed up! 80’s modern tech #wecops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 21:58
@_Danny__S @WeCops Agreed that a platform we could all share and have as a go to would be ideal. Is that the Knowledge Hub though? #wecops
@GilesHerdale
29 September 2021 21:58
@aloukes1 @pinkes3 @PSMDigital @uk_ipa @WeCops Absolutely agree Andy. Tiers of expertise are key. But culture has to change to allow much more rapid deployment of #coding tools #DII #wecops
@PolicingSL
29 September 2021 21:58
RT @RachelKearton: @St4mp3r1 @richard_dancey @WeCops #wecops selecting recruits for a digital world is a start, rather than the ability to…
@DCCBenSnuggs
29 September 2021 21:58
A three way convo (as my teenagers would say)! #WeCops https://twitter.com/GilesHerdale/status/1443318707267248134
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 21:59
Great idea, short, sharp, easy to follow videos, daily / weekly updates covering topics of relevance, maybe even a weekly / monthly podcast? :) #wecops https://twitter.com/kerrimonaghan1/status/1443318842932047879
@ChrisOGreenman
29 September 2021 21:59
@WeCops 43 Forces #WeCops
@GilesHerdale
29 September 2021 21:59
@sallytvalley @_Danny__S @WeCops We have built such a platform - DM me about access. #DII #wecops
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 21:59
RT @RachelKearton: @St4mp3r1 @richard_dancey @WeCops #wecops selecting recruits for a digital world is a start, rather than the ability to…
@KatieMagnet
29 September 2021 21:59
Its vital. Simple force IT collapse stops systems ( whatever they call themselves working ) this causes untold distress to officers. Long term plans are needed now. Short term tick boxes are useless. #wecops invest in the long term future and improvements of infrastructure ?? https://twitter.com/DCCBenSnuggs/status/1443318544679280649
@PSMDigital
29 September 2021 21:59
@tiggeymay @sallytvalley @WeCops Peer to peer is great in principle but of course if they self taught themselves the wrong thing then they spread this incorrect learning to others .. it can spread like wild fire! However the principle is still a sound concept #wecops
@DCCBenSnuggs
29 September 2021 21:59
"DII for dummies” - Catchy! #WeCops https://twitter.com/kerrimonaghan1/status/1443318842932047879
@aloukes1
29 September 2021 21:59
@_Danny__S @MaddieTvp @kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops I suppose I’m really saying there is as least as much room for innovation in how procurement works as in the more direct capabilities. #wecops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 22:00
@kerrimonaghan1 @digital_cassidy We are using Teams Webinar style quite well now as so easy to engage with. Always seeking new ways though... #wecops
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 22:00
Excellent and keep chatting / talking digital :) #wecops https://twitter.com/WeCops/status/1443319678294798345
@FyldeFan
29 September 2021 22:00
@Digital_DSgt @_Danny__S @WeCops I find a mix of police, academics and ex offenders is a really useful blend. I've used an ex hacker and an ex fraudster on a number of occasions. Their capabilities and knowledge scare me, but officers definitely pay attention and learn with context #WeCops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 22:01
It went far too quick!! I'm going to be reading through this and replying for days!!! #wecops https://twitter.com/WeCops/status/1443319678294798345
@KatieMagnet
29 September 2021 22:01
@DCCBenSnuggs This is the way forward. Make a statement not lip service #wecops . I understand how difficult long term financial plans are but it's now got to be a national plan. #wecops
@kerrimonaghan1
29 September 2021 22:01
@DCCBenSnuggs Just quoting the books! ?? and thinking it would be absolutely something I would pick up! #wecops
@FyldeFan
29 September 2021 22:01
RT @RachelKearton: @St4mp3r1 @richard_dancey @WeCops #wecops selecting recruits for a digital world is a start, rather than the ability to…
@RachelKearton
29 September 2021 22:02
@GilesTvp @WeCops Yes, as we did when we realised it wasn't unreasonable to expect people to have driving skills #wecops
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 22:02
RT @RachelKearton: @GilesTvp @WeCops Yes, as we did when we realised it wasn't unreasonable to expect people to have driving skills #wecops
@FyldeFan
29 September 2021 22:03
@RachelKearton @WeCops @St4mp3r1 @richard_dancey You won't get anywhere with thinking like that Ma'am ???? #WeCops
@O_M_Gower
29 September 2021 22:03
@WeCops Knowledge hub needs a serious overhaul. POLKA for all its flaws got a lot of use, knowledge hub is hard to get into and hard to navigate so hardly anyone goes there - eg analysis community has 250 members versus 3k+ in polka and maybe 5-6 threads a year, vs 5-10 a month #wecops
@GilesHerdale
29 September 2021 22:03
@aloukes1 @_Danny__S @MaddieTvp @kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops This is key. If enabling functions are not on board then we can’t turn #innovation into #capability #WeCops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 22:03
@ktbg1 @WeCops @DCCBenSnuggs @PSMDigital @Digital_DSgt @MaddieTvp @CollegeofPolice @ThamesVP @HantsPolice The office was buzzing until 9pm and then it went quiet and just frantic tapping of keyboards to be heard... #wecops
@Digital_DSgt
29 September 2021 22:03
That flew by! Thank you all for taking part!! Hope you all enjoyed it as much as we did! #DII #WeCops https://twitter.com/WeCops/status/1443319678294798345
@Gwinster11
29 September 2021 22:04
@chris_greany @WeCops So true Chris, everyone using different systems #WeCops
@GilesTvp
29 September 2021 22:04
@b3nd3r_th3_r0bt @WeCops Could I get a copy please? #WeCops
@KHannam33
29 September 2021 22:05
@RachelKearton @St4mp3r1 @richard_dancey @WeCops Totally agree a new innovative approach to policing needs us to challenge our status quo in recruitment criteria. What does a police officer for 2030 need to look like? #WeCops
@PC_Angry
29 September 2021 22:05
@WeCops By actually having proper intel units on each borough/division like we used to? So much intel goes on Met Crimint system and is ignored/not actioned. #WeCops
@ChrisOGreenman
29 September 2021 22:06
@Gwinster11 @WeCops different systems, procedure, techniques, hardware, software, skills...the biggest single barrier to effective investigation of digitally enabled cross border crimes is 43 Forces..#WeCops
@PSMDigital
29 September 2021 22:07
@_Danny__S @Digital_DSgt @WeCops Then you hit the issue of abstraction to bring staff together for this kind of hands of training (which I totally support by the way) and they wont get released and then the training doesn't get cascaded ... #wecops
@tiggeymay
29 September 2021 22:07
@PSMDigital @sallytvalley @WeCops Which is why you select your peer trainers carefully!#WeCops
@_Danny__S
29 September 2021 22:08
@GilesHerdale @sallytvalley @WeCops What I mean is a live book. This is reviewed and updated with information without the need for forums. Issue with Alexia’s go to the right area and see what there is. Or you have something new then add it and request for peer reading and testing to make it sound #wecops
@KatieMagnet
29 September 2021 22:08
I honestly apologise if I have offended anyone. The truth sometimes hurts. #wecops . Thank you for a lovely discussion.
@tiggeymay
29 September 2021 22:09
@WeCops @DCCBenSnuggs @PSMDigital @sallytvalley @Digital_DSgt @MaddieTvp @CollegeofPolice @ThamesVP @HantsPolice A really great, informative hour. Many thanks #WeCops
@GilesTvp
29 September 2021 22:10
@WeCops @DCCBenSnuggs @PSMDigital @sallytvalley @Digital_DSgt @MaddieTvp @CollegeofPolice @ThamesVP @HantsPolice That was great. Thanks to everyone who took part...#WeCops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 22:11
Thanks from us all! We’ve had a blast tonight. #wecops #dii @DCCBenSnuggs @PSMDigital @MaddieTvp @Digital_DSgt @digital_cassidy @MJA_1_DMI @St4mp3r1 @gilestvp https://t.co/cxRLvlIVym
@_Danny__S
29 September 2021 22:12
@FyldeFan @Digital_DSgt @WeCops Flip side of using ex-offenders is how sure are we that they are? Can this be infiltration to see our current capabilities to stay 10 steps ahead. But that’s me being cynical. I’d find it interesting but reluctant to speak out or ask Q’s. #wecops
@GilesTvp
29 September 2021 22:12
That was fun. Can't believe how fast it went by. Thanks to everyone who was involved in arranging it and taking part. @WeCops #WeCops
@GilesTvp
29 September 2021 22:12
Thanks, everyone #WeCops https://twitter.com/sallytvalley/status/1443322679675736069
@MaddieTvp
29 September 2021 22:13
So lovely to be a part of this ! Thats me on the screen at the back ?? ????????? #wecops https://twitter.com/sallytvalley/status/1443322679675736069
@St4mp3r1
29 September 2021 22:13
#wecops I thoroughly enjoyed reading everyone's comments and views. Its clear there is a lot of work to be done. Thank-you to everyone who took part, Stampy.
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 22:13
RT @MaddieTvp: So lovely to be a part of this ! Thats me on the screen at the back ?? ????????? #wecops https://twitter.com/sallytvalley/status/1443322679675736069
@JJSharpers
29 September 2021 22:13
@_the_blue_line_ @WeCops Because they know about digital stuff and we don’t!!! #wecops
@digital_cassidy
29 September 2021 22:13
RT @GilesTvp: Thanks, everyone #WeCops https://twitter.com/sallytvalley/status/1443322679675736069
@_Danny__S
29 September 2021 22:17
@PSMDigital @Digital_DSgt @WeCops Then if that’s the case then investigations fail. We are the most criticised job in the world and time and training can help reduce it. We should get a crack at it 1st time rather than trial by PSD or Media backlash. #wecops
@sallytvalley
29 September 2021 22:19
@_Danny__S @WeCops @DCCBenSnuggs @PSMDigital @Digital_DSgt @MaddieTvp @CollegeofPolice @ThamesVP @HantsPolice Thanks for joining in. Great to hear your thought. #wecops
@KatieMagnet
29 September 2021 22:21
@kerrimonaghan1 I hope I gave some clarity #wecops
@PSMDigital
29 September 2021 22:22
@sallytvalley @DCCBenSnuggs @MaddieTvp @Digital_DSgt @digital_cassidy @MJA_1_DMI @St4mp3r1 @GilesTvp Great evening with the fantastic #TVPDII team. Thank you for hosting and super pizza ?? #wecops @sallytvalley
@tacmedcop
29 September 2021 22:26
@WeCops It must be relevant and specific to the role required. There must be sufficent numbers of those trained. All staff need increased awareness of benefits and types of digital enquiries/investigations. Those trained must want to be trained and have motivation and interest. #WeCops
@tacmedcop
29 September 2021 22:29
@WeCops @DCCBenSnuggs @PSMDigital @sallytvalley @Digital_DSgt @MaddieTvp @CollegeofPolice @ThamesVP @HantsPolice Interesting one for me today, not one of my specialisms or something I use regularly. Good to increase my working knowledge though. Thank you all. #WeCops
@WecopsCaroline
29 September 2021 22:29
@KatieMagnet I don’t think you could or have offended anyone! We welcome blunt but constructive chats! ???? #WeCops




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