#WeCops - Wednesday 20th October 2021 9pm (GMT Standard Time) Making the most of Police Science & Technology

If you haven't joined in a tweet chat before it's very simple.    Here's a guide





 Chat Details

 

Hosted by WeCops using #WeCops

This chat is guest hosted by @ProfPaulTaylor @StanGilmour

#WeCops Chat – Making the most of Police Science and Technology

Wednesday 20th October 2021

Across policing, science and technology is essential to our ability to prevent crime and disorder, detect activity of concern (crime and non-crime), and protect our officers and the public.

As well as a vast range of current science and technology (e.g. forensic science, data analytics, PPE materials and behavioural science), we can be certain that the opportunities and threats presented by science and technology will continue to evolve at pace in the future. How should we focus our attention to utilise cutting-edge and proven science and technology ethically, fairly and proportionately to meet the needs of frontline policing, both now and in the future?

Where could Policing benefit from greater use of science and technology? How could we improve our approach to innovation to make the most of emerging science and tech and stay on top of the threats it poses? What is the biggest barrier to delivering science and technology products/services across frontline policing? What changes are needed to make the pull through of emerging science and tech more effective?

Professor Paul Taylor, the Police Chief Scientific Advisor, is leading work to develop a strategy that sets a clear direction for Police Science and Technology. We are incorporating views from the widest diversity of perspectives and experiences, and are hosting this chat to hear directly from the WeCops community. We look forward to hearing your views on Wednesday 20th October 2021!

 

Meet your hosts:

Professor Paul Taylor, Police Chief Scientific Advisor

Paul Taylor became the first Police Chief Scientific Advisor (CSA) on 1 May, 2021, with a remit to connect science and technology expertise both in the UK and globally to keep policing at the forefront of best practice. The role of the Police CSA will help guide critical strategies, policies and decisions, helping police to protect millions of people.

Paul is Professor of Psychology at Lancaster University, Professor of Human Interaction at the University of Twente, and founding director of the UK Centre for Research and Evidence on Security Threats (CREST). Established in 2015, CREST has brought together over 140 researchers from 35 universities and SMEs to deliver research that informs policy and practice in security and policing.

Over his career Professor Taylor has contributed science advice to a number of high-profile police investigations in the UK and overseas. In 2005 he received a Metropolitan Police Service Commissioner Commendation for his contributions.

Dr Lucy Mason, Science and Technology Strategy Expert, PA Consulting

Lucy is an expert in policing, security, Science and Technology (S&T) futures. She has 15+ years’ experience in policing and security innovation, S&T and strategy, including creating and leading the Government’s Defence and Security Accelerator (DASA), and working with Dstl, academia and industry to develop innovative technologies.

Lucy is on the Advisory Board for Hacking4MOD, the Security Board for Cranfield University, and is Chair of the Governing Board for SDTaP, an internet of things consortia.

A former civil servant, in 2016/17 Lucy led the review of CONTEST, the Government’s counter-terrorism strategy, for the Home Office: Lucy created a science advisory group led by Prof. Sir Peter Knight and led an awayday at Shrivenham Defence Academy to create content, resulting in S&T being a core theme of the new Strategy, as well as writing a supporting report Future technology trends in security which has been highly influential in shaping the research agenda both in the UK and internationally.

Stan Gilmour FRSA, Director, Thames Valley Violence Reduction Unit

Detective Superintendent Stan Gilmour is the Director of the Thames Valley Violence Reduction Unit.  In his 28 years’ service has worked across a broad range of operational functions, from neighbourhood policing and counter terrorism through armed response, intelligence management and, prior to his current role, was Head of Public Protection for Thames Valley Police. 

Stan has a BA (Hons) in politics and a MSc in Criminology and Criminal Justice.  He is the author of several articles and book chapters on policing, ethics, and intelligence, and is the co-editor of the Handbook of Transnational Organised Crime and the Handbook of Organised Crime and Politics. 

Stan is a member of the World Health Organization’s Taskforce on the Trauma Informed Prevention of Adverse Childhood Experiences and has recently completed a Fellowship at the Institute for Policy Research, University of Bath, he is also the co-convenor of the GLEPHA International Special Interest Groups on Violence





 Chat Contributers

 





 Chat Word Cloud

 

 Participant bio cloud





 Chat Summary

 

WeCops Blog on Police Science and Technology by NPCC Chief Scientific Advisor Prof. Paul Taylor

The best Tweets in this chat were: “The only way is ethics?” (@westieross) and “Nerds like certificates” (@BeakerRick)!

 

One of my priorities as Policing Chief Scientific Adviser is to develop a science and technology strategy that embraces the experiences and ideas of our whole community. That’s why we reached out to #WeCops to engage openly on Policing S&T; to hear the challenges, the opportunities, and about your priorities. And what a great debate we had!

 

I‘m delighted by the breadth of ideas and inputs. Our total reach over the hour was over 1.37 million. We had 62 active contributors with 353 tweets. It would have been a few more if I had not forgotten on a few occasions to use the #WeCops hashtag in my haste to engage!

 

We began by discussing where policing could benefit from greater use of S&T. More automation of tasks (such as processing data quickly) is an area of real opportunity. There were also great ideas to have mobile specialist digital experts available, use RFIDs and barcodes to track and submit evidence, and smart e-notepads replacing paper. Going on to how we can approach innovation better, some great ideas emerged such as using POCA money as a fund to drive innovation, embedding people from the science, technology, and private sectors, encouraging local innovation, and holding a Kaggle competition to tackle a justice problem. We then looked at barriers to delivering S&T products and services and what changes we need to make to pull through good ideas, with some insights around the challenges of 43 forces having different approaches, the need for common data standards, making use of available tools such as Teams and having the right resources and skills to deploy solutions.

 

A few key takeaways for me were:

  • We need to show the value of S&T better, with more joining up of ideas between police forces to really make the most of all the great grassroots innovation already happening;
  • Having a national strategy can help us coordinate and prioritise our efforts;
  • Open science is crucial, as is working collaboratively with industry on the journey;
  • There are untapped skills among volunteers and Specials, as well as making the most of officers with an interest/ expertise in technology;
  • we could incentivise science and innovation more – with secondments in and out of policing, and perhaps awards to recognise excellence.

My role is to drive forwards this thinking and I encourage anyone who wants to be part of the journey to get involved! Thank you to #WeCops for a great debate.





 Post Chat Comments

 
After the chat you may like to add a reflection, add some questions, or maybe you've made a change from something you leant on the chat...well now you can with "post chat comments" below.

You'll need to be logged into via Twitter from the main menu, then you can share your post chat comments...
@{{Comment.screenName}}
{{Comment.DateCreated | date:"dd MMMM yyyy HH:mm"}}
{{Comment.Comment}}




 #WeCops transcript

 
@WeCops
20 October 2021 21:00
Question 1: Science and technology benefits Maximising the benefit from science and technology is a key priority for the UK Government. Where could Policing benefit from greater use of science and technology? #WeCops https://t.co/LTd4Os074P
@KatieMagnet
20 October 2021 21:01
@WeCops #wecops funding is needed to allow officers to data process quickly.
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:02
@WeCops Oops #WeCops first one
@amindfulife
20 October 2021 21:02
@WeCops A dedicated digital department along the lines of CSI. Mobile vans, dedicated staff visiting scenes to recover data forensically #wecops
@TVPAmyClem
20 October 2021 21:02
@WeCops We need to be agile enough to keep pace with all the various tech changes & advances. And have people who understand them! A big challenge for our £££… #wecops
@StanGilmour
20 October 2021 21:03
@WeCops #WeCops Q1 - Gaining smarter insights from data to assist whole systems in the prevention of harms
@WecopsCaroline
20 October 2021 21:03
@WeCops When I think we’re STILL using brown paper bags that we wrap in sellotape, I’m thinking there are LOADS of places we could use science and tech! #WeCops
@KatieMagnet
20 October 2021 21:03
@amindfulife @WeCops Well said :#wecops
@PCRotherham
20 October 2021 21:03
Got my hot chocolate at the ready, let's do this! #WeCops https://t.co/jb5x4jejKn
@kerrimonaghan1
20 October 2021 21:04
@WeCops There is some amazing technology out there which could make a massive difference to policing. Sadly the funding just doesn’t allow us to keep up. #WeCops
@WecopsCaroline
20 October 2021 21:04
@TVPAmyClem @WeCops And the time the procurement process takes ?? #WeCops.
@DetectiveHelen
20 October 2021 21:04
@WeCops Deeper understanding and coverage of social media apps #wecops
@dadwithahat1
20 October 2021 21:04
@WeCops Mobility with the right technology to reduce the need to return to station. In all areas really allowing access to information and intelligence systems and updating said systems. The biggest issue is infrastructure and the cost of that physical kit. #WeCops
@GilesHerdale
20 October 2021 21:04
@WeCops Policing has always been a reactive business. But the pace of change in society and technology has never been faster. This means that policing must embrace science and technology strategically to recognise drivers of change and embrace opportunities. #wecops
@StanGilmour
20 October 2021 21:04
@ProfPaulTaylor @KatieMagnet @WeCops #WeCops Automation is key to gaining timely insight
@Lesslethalweaps
20 October 2021 21:04
@WeCops I think we need to address the gaps in existing s and t policing requirements before looking at wider issues. #wecops
@kerrimonaghan1
20 October 2021 21:04
@WecopsCaroline @WeCops Oh my goodness you are so right! Plenty of places still use paper pocket note books and that blows my mind! #wecops
@Rob_Flan
20 October 2021 21:05
@WecopsCaroline @WeCops Good point - Some good distort advances in RFID and associated technology could be a huge step in how evidence is stored and tracked etc #wecops
@TVPAmyClem
20 October 2021 21:05
@WecopsCaroline @WeCops Exactly. And criminals don’t face any of those barriers but exploit the tech - we need to be smart enough to keep pace or be a step ahead. Recruitment of the right ppl is key I think #wecops
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:05
@aloukes1 @KatieMagnet @WeCops Arrhhh cakes! #WeCops
@mike200hope
20 October 2021 21:05
@WeCops #wecops The ability to keep pace with the technological advances. The organisation needs to be more agile. The length of time taken to develop systems often means the tech is almost redundant by the time it is introduced
@NickHerceg
20 October 2021 21:06
@WeCops Im I’ll do may be projecting, but...getting this out there early: I’m literally emailing an officer atm panicking as their job laptop isn’t working and niche has crashed 3x for them. There will be some valuable ideas tonight but our frontline tech basics feel so poor #wecops
@KatieMagnet
20 October 2021 21:06
Totally agree and it needs to be done quickly. Phones now have more data than any computer we seized 20 years ago. Quick time response is needed. #wecops https://twitter.com/ProfPaulTaylor/status/1450915563832762372
@westieross
20 October 2021 21:06
@WeCops By achieving greater consistency in applications and systems between areas would be a big gain - e.g. rollout of Microsoft 365 across all forces will enable much more options for engagement and discussion, sharing documents and information/knowledge etc. #WeCops
@amindfulife
20 October 2021 21:06
@WeCops Review your court cases. See where and what kind of forensic evidence won your cases. #wecops
@dadwithahat1
20 October 2021 21:06
@TVPAmyClem @WeCops Absolutely Ma’am I think it’s finding the right tech and when to invest and not being slow to adopt before it’s out of date. Our biggest challenge is medium term future proofing. We’ve all seen stuff come in that has already ‘gone out’ #WeCops
@KatieMagnet
20 October 2021 21:06
@aloukes1 @WeCops @lewis_mayling Not familiar can you expand please #wecops
@StanGilmour
20 October 2021 21:06
@WecopsCaroline @TVPAmyClem @WeCops #wecops There's a lot you can do in-house if you look closely enough
@GilesHerdale
20 October 2021 21:07
@WeCops Policing is now facing a far more complex set of challenges than at any time in its history. Harnessing the power of data and technology will be critical to it continuing to be relevant and able to protect the public. #wecops
@NickHerceg
20 October 2021 21:07
@WeCops That was supposed to say “I may be projecting”...i think it’s the COVID talking...apologies in advance!!! #wecops #poorlysick #sendlemsip
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:07
RT @StanGilmour: @WecopsCaroline @TVPAmyClem @WeCops #wecops There's a lot you can do in-house if you look closely enough
@Lesslethalweaps
20 October 2021 21:07
@WeCops We also need to close the gap that CAST left when we moved away from that s and t provider #wecops
@TVPAmyClem
20 October 2021 21:07
@kerrimonaghan1 @WecopsCaroline @WeCops Tbf, pen & paper never have “server access” issues, they work in the wet, don’t need a battery… ?? #wecops
@aloukes1
20 October 2021 21:07
@lewis_mayling @KatieMagnet @WeCops The people and tech/tools need to change together. Not one at a time. (remembering #wecops this time)
@_IanAdams
20 October 2021 21:08
@WeCops If tech maximisation is a key priority for the UK Government, where is @NPAShq when you need pursuit support, high risk area MISPER checks or the tracking of suspects in the early hours? This should be a priority 24 hours a day, 365 days of the year, not a P/T service! #WeCops
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:08
@westieross @WeCops And there is tones that can be done within that tech stack for free #WeCops
@TVPAmyClem
20 October 2021 21:08
@StanGilmour @WecopsCaroline @WeCops Why should we have to look closely? If it’s there in house, it should be on display and advertised to those who need it! #wecops
@Rob_Flan
20 October 2021 21:09
@GilesHerdale @WeCops Most companies at scale are now completely informed by data and the insights it presents - they respond accordingly and at pace to this insight… Policing does… but to a point. I often consider how customer-led policing is? #wecops
@StanGilmour
20 October 2021 21:09
@GilesHerdale @WeCops Maybe law enforcement has to a greater extent but not necessarily policing, time to change the rhetoric towards problem solving and harness technology for systems change #wecops
@MountyinaCounty
20 October 2021 21:09
@WeCops It seems from my experience that the software/hardware brought in to assist front line reporting/evidence gathering wasn't designed with those users in mind It's done in project groups & meetings where decisions are made without consulting the people who'll be using them. #WeCops
@kerrimonaghan1
20 October 2021 21:09
@TVPAmyClem @WecopsCaroline @WeCops Oh man #wecops ??????
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:09
@kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops It’s not all costly, we need better understanding of what’s possible, some things don’t cost anything (literally) but can have huge benefits #WeCops
@Ben_Stephenson
20 October 2021 21:09
@WeCops The movement/recording of exhibits really needs to become electronic. The reliance on book 105s and the like is rather inefficient. #wecops
@KatieMagnet
20 October 2021 21:10
RT @StanGilmour: @WeCops #WeCops Q1 - Gaining smarter insights from data to assist whole systems in the prevention of harms
@dadwithahat1
20 October 2021 21:10
@WeCops One note of caution is making sure our officers and senior leaders because they can access from wherever etc we need to make sure they all switch off and aren’t dragged into a culture of ‘just checking emails ‘ or ‘just do this task’ I see it a lot at all ranks. #WeCops.
@snash6414
20 October 2021 21:10
@TVPAmyClem @kerrimonaghan1 @WecopsCaroline @WeCops I completely agree with this - and whilst I recognise the huge benefits of technology - I do feel we spend so much of our lives in front a screen it’s sometimes nice to go back to basics, put the device down and write some stuff! #WeCops
@BeakerRick
20 October 2021 21:10
@WeCops The issue is usually "This Is The Way We've Always Done It". You can't have an agile team who can learn and apply new tech and skills while also tying them to 40 year old rules that aren't fit for purpose. I've seen USB Card readers with no card bagged up for evidence! #WeCops
@Lesslethalweaps
20 October 2021 21:10
@WeCops Forces need to be directed by the respective NPCC leads and not necessarily ‘go it alone’ to find solutions. 43 different ways of doing things does not get the maximum out of industry and different s and t solutions that are out there. #wecops
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:10
@dadwithahat1 @WeCops This is true the underpinning tech architecture is a big issue for storage, access, data churn, enabling other tech…..but get the fundamentals right and there are big opportunities #WeCops
@ProfPaulTaylor
20 October 2021 21:10
@amindfulife @WeCops Interesting! I had exactly this conversation early today. There is work going on to answer that question, though the answer likely complex and crime type dependent. #WeCops
@westieross
20 October 2021 21:11
@Rob_Flan @WecopsCaroline @WeCops And in tracking frontline resources to easily gather data without too much bureaucracy e.g. to determine what works/doesn’t work and other analytics? #WeCops
@TVPAmyClem
20 October 2021 21:11
@GilesHerdale @WeCops Big data and its capabilities are immense. But we’re by definition less agile than corporations- they’re not bound by the level of regulation (or budget!) that we are. How to change that…? #wecops
@_Danny__S
20 October 2021 21:11
@WeCops This is in the contracts that are negotiated with forces and companies who supply products or do testing. Companies see the Police as an open wallet and will charge the Earth but deliver poor products/timescales. Need to focus on value for money which impacts the areas. #wecops
@kerrimonaghan1
20 October 2021 21:11
@snash6414 @TVPAmyClem @WecopsCaroline @WeCops Not all technology involves a screen and the really helpful stuff gets you away from one! #wecops
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:11
Yep we need to be able to do more digital triage at scene. As we do for more traditional forensics #WeCops https://twitter.com/amindfulife/status/1450915293094727684
@KatieMagnet
20 October 2021 21:12
Carbon footprint needs to be looked at and plastic can decompose things faster #wecops #coldcase https://twitter.com/WecopsCaroline/status/1450915639040913409
@ktbg1
20 October 2021 21:12
@WeCops In so many ways! I don’t think policing touches the surface. We don’t know what we don’t know so we need to go outside of policing & ask questions. See who can help solve our problems. We don’t ask for help enough from the science & tech giants, nationally or locally #wecops
@dadwithahat1
20 October 2021 21:12
@lewis_mayling @WeCops Absolutely get it wrong though and a brilliant piece of software or concept becomes unworkable #WeCops.
@ProfPaulTaylor
20 October 2021 21:12
@lewis_mayling @westieross @WeCops And superb talent - like you Lewis! - across policing to take advantage of it. Part of my role is to help join that talent up, provdie fora for new groups to come together, innovate, exchange knowledge, and push the boundries...#WeCops
@RFC_RyanHowell
20 October 2021 21:12
@Ben_Stephenson @WeCops Imagine if the same technology that @amazon and now @Tesco are trialling for checkout-less shopping could be applied to the movement of exhibits... ?? #WeCops
@mark74brown
20 October 2021 21:12
@WeCops Ability to speed up forensics where mobile phones are involved Better tech for frontline work A big uplift in crime reduction & prevention equipment/tech & methods so police can provide guidance & public can be more effective themselves in target hardening #wecops
@amindfulife
20 October 2021 21:12
@ProfPaulTaylor @WeCops I am led to believe that forensic evidence is being used to a lesser extend these days where as digital evidence is increasing in importance #wecops
@aloukes1
20 October 2021 21:13
@KatieMagnet @WeCops @lewis_mayling Embed text markup and code in an interactive notebook, which you can share Here’s an example that might be relevant to any time/location data you might have https://anitagraser.github.io/movingpandas/3_horse_collar.html #wecops
@WecopsCaroline
20 October 2021 21:13
@kjkizer33 @TVPAmyClem @WeCops So true!!! #WeCops
@_Danny__S
20 October 2021 21:13
@DetectiveHelen @WeCops You can’t rule out the basic areas which are the fall back when technology stops working. If doing crime reports on phones and you drop it the trusted pen and paper comes out. But, listening to the users and understanding technology will help in modernisation. #wecops
@Rob_Flan
20 October 2021 21:13
Q1. There is so much at a basic s&t level that policing can achieve if we are willing to be more open with what we can do abs where we need to fill the gaps. Simple areas such as deployment and intelligent response for public to increase confidence (eg. Where’s my cop?) #WeCops
@Thetrainingsarg
20 October 2021 21:14
@dadwithahat1 @WeCops #WeCops
@TVPAmyClem
20 October 2021 21:14
@ProfPaulTaylor @WeCops Imv we definitely need to harness that community & our relationship & work together to look at what the challenges coming in the next 5/10/15 yrs are & work to put solutions in place. Not easy! #wecops
@kjkizer33
20 October 2021 21:14
@ktbg1 @WeCops Exactly what the national tech strategy states, we need to use private sector, they have the skills but we make it hard for them to enter and innovate in a lot of areas #wecops
@TVPAmyClem
20 October 2021 21:15
@kjkizer33 @WeCops Yup, completely agree. And we don’t generally have the £ to be able to do that, sadly. #wecops
@mark74brown
20 October 2021 21:15
@ktbg1 @WeCops The military is always a good place to start when it comes to tech…much of the tech in everyday life always stems from development via the military #wecops
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:16
@TVPAmyClem @GilesHerdale @WeCops Bring skills in house, when it comes to big data we are ready and have the skills. Staff costs may be slightly higher but the none cashable saving are huge, less on prem tech, reproducible analysis, prescriptive analysis, lower storage costs, pay as you go service etc. #WeCops
@paz565
20 October 2021 21:16
@dadwithahat1 @WeCops Massive ongoing training and investment implications there, Dad... I don't disagree though. #WeCops
@robertsmith101
20 October 2021 21:16
@WeCops Every contact leaves a trace .. science and technology is so vital to record, analyse and exploit the records of the traces .. whether digital or physical #wecops
@Rob_Flan
20 October 2021 21:16
@kjkizer33 @ktbg1 @WeCops Procurement can still be seen as an inhibitor rather than an enabler to a more open and Innovative response to finding a solution… How much do we ask for answers rather than try to define a solution? #wecops
@GilesHerdale
20 October 2021 21:16
@TVPAmyClem @WeCops Partly it is a question of priorities. We continue to spend most of the time, effort and budget of policing on legacy activities. Developing our capabilities takes leadership and coordination to harness expertise that sits in academia and industry. #wecops
@ProfPaulTaylor
20 October 2021 21:17
@_Danny__S @WeCops I'm keen the CSA's office, with its knowledge of what is going on across policing and its ability to draw on experts to evaluate proposals, can help raise the quality and VfM. #WeCops
@dadwithahat1
20 October 2021 21:17
@kjkizer33 @ktbg1 @WeCops This is where our volunteer officers are invaluable sources of information. I know we have some in that field who deliver solutions. We should look nationally at those colleagues as they have a feet in both camps. I think we miss opportunities to use their skills #WeCops
@PCRotherham
20 October 2021 21:17
@WeCops Whenever the subject of tech comes up I always have to say ?? ONE ?? UNIFIED ?? BUILT ?? FOR ?? PURPOSE ?? CRIME ?? AND ?? INTEL ?? SYSTEM ?? ACROSS ?? THE ?? CRIMINAL ?? JUSTICE ?? ORGANISATIONS ?? Just think of the hurdles this would overcome... Overnight! #WeCops
@TVPAmyClem
20 October 2021 21:18
@RFC_RyanHowell @Ben_Stephenson @WeCops @amazon @Tesco You’d definitely get someone in court challenging the continuity of the evidence though ?? #wecops
@instantiator
20 October 2021 21:18
@WeCops Implementation is important. Poor technology choices limit interoperability, and raise the cost of improvements. The http://GOV.UK Service Manual is a great place to start when considering new services and technologies. http://gov.uk/service-manual #WeCops
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:18
@ProfPaulTaylor @westieross @WeCops ?? under rated tweet alert ???????? #WeCops
@StanGilmour
20 October 2021 21:18
@amindfulife @ProfPaulTaylor @WeCops There was a study a few years ago, in sum: traditional forensic evidence gets you the conviction, digital evidence gets you the tariff - both are important and S&T are an essential combination #wecops
@GilesHerdale
20 October 2021 21:18
@lewis_mayling @TVPAmyClem @WeCops Developing professional expertise in data skills is critical but must be coordinated nationally. #wecops
@_Danny__S
20 October 2021 21:18
@WeCops The other question is ‘where are we hindered’ in Polocing rather than benefit. Everyone would want the latest sexy gadget on the market but is the back end that needs reviewing. Like the accreditation procedures we now have to undertake just to open a exhibit bag. #wecops
@dadwithahat1
20 October 2021 21:18
@paz565 @WeCops Totally but we need to encourage that disconnect at all ranks. #WeCops
@ProfPaulTaylor
20 October 2021 21:19
@dadwithahat1 @kjkizer33 @ktbg1 @WeCops Noted. I bet we have some great science and tech expertise in our volunteer officers. #WeCops
@JohnRobertMc
20 October 2021 21:19
@WeCops Just by getting ahead rather than chasing behind. Our use of digital recording, CCTV/systems access for example. It’s not long ago we were still using tapes. The best example of using science though is in forensics. DNA changed investigation radically not that long ago. #WeCops
@KatieMagnet
20 October 2021 21:19
@amindfulife I think electronic signature was a few years ago #wecops
@WeCops
20 October 2021 21:20
Question 2: Innovation With science and technology constantly advancing, how could we improve our approach to innovation to make the most of emerging science and tech and stay on top of the threats it poses? #WeCops https://t.co/nLO2CqhT13
@amindfulife
20 October 2021 21:20
@StanGilmour @ProfPaulTaylor @WeCops Cheers Stan. That’s interesting BUT as technology progresses will the ration tip over to digital I wonder ? #wecops
@Rob_Flan
20 October 2021 21:20
@ProfPaulTaylor @dadwithahat1 @kjkizer33 @ktbg1 @WeCops And through places like the @hackthepolice networks - @instantiator and team have some really great innovators from outside policing in their network - we should utilise these more #wecops
@TVPAmyClem
20 October 2021 21:20
@BeakerRick @WecopsCaroline @WeCops So we should be addressing the recruitment issues. We can’t match pay, but we should be able to give a job offer etc in a suitable timeframe, especially for in-demand skills. #wecops
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:20
@aloukes1 @KatieMagnet @WeCops ?? definitely shareable open tech #WeCops
@amindfulife
20 October 2021 21:20
@KatieMagnet And the courts still don’t like it #wecops
@aloukes1
20 October 2021 21:21
@TVPAmyClem @RFC_RyanHowell @Ben_Stephenson @WeCops @amazon @Tesco Although if you do it right you could make it way more reliable than traditional processes. Perhaps a key thing for S&T in policing is to be thinking about how to incorporate fundamentals like continuity of evidence from the outset #WeCops
@DrLucyMason
20 October 2021 21:21
@kjkizer33 @ktbg1 @WeCops I agree the private sector has a lot to offer if they understood better what the problem sets are for policing, and what technologies are already being used #WeCops
@ANoddyHolder1
20 October 2021 21:21
@WeCops @PFEW_HQ We have systems that automatically add text to videos in Teams. So why can’t we have transcripts printed immediately after interviews so we are not waiting for transcripts or worse cops typing them out! #Wecops
@Lesslethalweaps
20 October 2021 21:21
@DrLucyMason @WeCops It needs each area to complete an operational requirement. Can’t get solutions until we know what the capability gap is #wecops
@ProfPaulTaylor
20 October 2021 21:21
@GilesHerdale @TVPAmyClem @WeCops Yep. How to support today while preparing for tomorrow requires collaboration, sharing, joint working, and a judicious eye for priorities. #WeCops
@mark74brown
20 October 2021 21:21
@PCRotherham @WeCops Time to leave behind the inherited systems that are purchased IT wise as well…most never designed for police use…build a bespoke national system that can be updated in the future…big cost initially to do it but will save money in the end #wecops
@dadwithahat1
20 October 2021 21:21
@ProfPaulTaylor @kjkizer33 @ktbg1 @WeCops I know we do. We have volunteer officers who have app businesses all sorts. I know there will be many more out there. #WeCops
@instantiator
20 October 2021 21:21
@WeCops The service manual also features a guide to choosing technology, demonstrating the importance of open standards and well defined APIs. Policing could adopt standards like these for all new services, reducing the cost of replacement and improvement. #WeCops https://www.gov.uk/service-manual/technology/choosing-technology-an-introduction
@DetectiveHelen
20 October 2021 21:22
@WeCops Have a science and technology SPOC ( not a police officer) who advises the senior leadership team - e.g. horizon scanning #wecops
@TVPAmyClem
20 October 2021 21:22
@GilesHerdale @WeCops Absolutely. Making that case that - e.g.- data exploitation is every bit as valuable in law enforcement as “boots on the ground” is a big challenge. #wecops
@PenelopeGibbs2
20 October 2021 21:22
@TVPAmyClem @WeCops #wecops can we start by finding an alternative to sending criminal charges in the post?
@JohnRobertMc
20 October 2021 21:22
@WeCops Only last night I watched a drama about the Colin Pitchfork murders. A senior investigator took a huge risk with DNA when many were sceptical. Science cracked the case and undoubtedly saved lives. We have to dare to try even when we may get it wrong. #WeCops
@_Danny__S
20 October 2021 21:22
@ProfPaulTaylor @WeCops True. But one ‘thing’ in one place is not necessarily going to work elsewhere. Eg: frontline officers mobile phones. Do we all use the same? Are they all capable of doing everything out on the ground or restricted because of local policy? Not joined up nationally yet. #wecops
@mussa_meman
20 October 2021 21:22
@ktbg1 @WeCops #WeCops - work with universities and ask them to carry out research for us. Look at how the pvt sector improves performance and productivity through use of tech and see of there is anything we can take away and implement in policing.
@PCRotherham
20 October 2021 21:22
@WeCops Stop thinking solely about our pockets - good investments costs. Start looking at private sector and what they're doing. Don't be scares to try something innovative - share the learning and if it's not working, bin it! #WeCops
@StanGilmour
20 October 2021 21:22
@amindfulife @ProfPaulTaylor @WeCops Undoubtedly already has in some areas, one to watch ??#wecops
@aloukes1
20 October 2021 21:22
@mark74brown @PCRotherham @WeCops To transform use of S&T first we need to transform procurement? #WeCops
@MountyinaCounty
20 October 2021 21:23
@DetectiveHelen @WeCops And an SLT that listens #WeCops
@ProfPaulTaylor
20 October 2021 21:23
@Rob_Flan @dadwithahat1 @kjkizer33 @ktbg1 @WeCops @hackthepolice @instantiator Completely agree. Grassroutes innovation in policing is stronger and more effective than in any other sector I have seen. The networks are key to that #WeCops
@KellyScully6
20 October 2021 21:23
@WeCops It would be great to have an assessment of policing activity from a carbon footprint perspective. I don’t mean vehicles or buildings (they’d be helpful too) but in day to day processes e.g evidence mgt, forensics, finance. Tech could potentially support reduced footprint #wecops
@GilesHerdale
20 October 2021 21:23
@ProfPaulTaylor @TVPAmyClem @WeCops A stronger strategic centre is central to this - hence the importance of the #CSA office in @PoliceChiefs. #WeCops
@instantiator
20 October 2021 21:23
@WeCops Open communities such as @PoliceRewired offer a chance for technologists, researchers and creative problem solvers to bring their ideas to the table. #WeCops https://policerewired.org
@_Danny__S
20 October 2021 21:23
@ProfPaulTaylor @WeCops Oh and no way is a national Police force the answer. #wecops just want to add that.
@Lesslethalweaps
20 October 2021 21:23
@WeCops Regular industry days and a well written and up to date operational requirement. Have to take industry on the journey with us. We need a good s and t provider which is available for advice and direction all the time. We used to have this. #wecops
@amindfulife
20 October 2021 21:24
@KatieMagnet As have the cops? #wecops
@KatieMagnet
20 October 2021 21:24
This ?? #wecops https://twitter.com/KellyScully6/status/1450920622335344643
@PCRotherham
20 October 2021 21:24
@mark74brown @WeCops Agree so much with this! I've seen uni students build more robust & user-friendly websites to look at and catalogue memds than most policing systems. #WeCops
@ktbg1
20 October 2021 21:24
@ProfPaulTaylor @dadwithahat1 @kjkizer33 @WeCops Both specials & volunteers. @sallytvalley has recruited a @TVP_Specials for our new digital Investigation & intelligence team in @ThamesVP as their everyday work is in a tech company. We need to do more of this! #wecops
@ANoddyHolder1
20 October 2021 21:24
@WeCops Offer POCA money to universities to progress scientific as grants to progress initiatives that could be used in the CJ world such as DNA results in stations for charging purposes etc. #WeCops
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:25
@WeCops We need to break up the subject. Tech and data are very broad and we need SMEs that understand the opportunities in specific areas, without that we get confusion, even just in language. #WeCops
@NickHerceg
20 October 2021 21:25
@WeCops Someone has made a similar point, but IMO needs to be a stronger govt push. Solutions are out there for much of what we need but we are stymied by legislation and cost. If phone co’s can still charge us to ping a device in life/death situations what hope is there? #wecops
@DrLucyMason
20 October 2021 21:25
@Lesslethalweaps @WeCops The Home Office collect (annual?) Statements of User Needs to inform their commissions of S&T from @dstlmod - maybe they need to go out more widely? But how best to prioritise them? #WeCops
@JohnRobertMc
20 October 2021 21:25
@WeCops Innovation is great but not at the expense of the basics. It has to supplement the basics. Like DNA technology in my last tweet to Q1. The main barriers though are bureaucracy. We are too big a juggernaut with too many barriers, procedures/procurement/politics etc. #WeCops
@dadwithahat1
20 October 2021 21:25
@ktbg1 @ProfPaulTaylor @kjkizer33 @WeCops @sallytvalley @TVP_Specials @ThamesVP Absolutely Ma’am. We’ve made some use in my force but I guarantee all forces have them and nationally there will some really talented individuals who are motivated to support and help us deliver effective innovation. #WeCops
@instantiator
20 October 2021 21:26
@WeCops @PoliceRewired Our biggest challenge with promising projects from @PoliceRewired, and @HackThePolice, is to find teams inside forces that can meet pick up, adapt, test and internalise new tools and ideas. External input is great, but it needs to be met with some internal resources. #WeCops
@_cidpc
20 October 2021 21:26
@WeCops Make the most of officers with an interest/knowledge of technology. Allow them to attend training courses so their expertise can be shared at a local level, not just within specialist teams #wecops
@ktbg1
20 October 2021 21:26
@WeCops We need to work more collaboratively across policing rather than many different forces innovating & spending money on similar things. There just doesn’t appear to be an ability to coordinate this kind of activity though #wecops
@kjkizer33
20 October 2021 21:26
@ktbg1 @ProfPaulTaylor @dadwithahat1 @WeCops @sallytvalley @TVP_Specials @ThamesVP This is fantastic, do other forces do this? #wecops
@ProfPaulTaylor
20 October 2021 21:26
@KellyScully6 @WeCops Thanks to @BlueLightComm we're progressing a at pace in efforts to become carbon neutral. Interesting and important point to broaden out from vehicles and buildings. #WeCops
@WecopsCaroline
20 October 2021 21:26
@paz565 @WeCops Self sealing brown bag with a microchip sig time and date… is that complicated?? #WeCops
@TVPAmyClem
20 October 2021 21:26
@ktbg1 @ProfPaulTaylor @dadwithahat1 @kjkizer33 @WeCops @sallytvalley @TVP_Specials @ThamesVP There are specialist volunteer roles in a range of other services - we don’t need to reinvent the wheel, just borrow with pride! Pretty sure @NCA_UK & @RoyalNavy have specialist volunteer roles for starters #wecops
@mark74brown
20 October 2021 21:26
@WeCops Embed people as conduits from the science, tech & private sector…not just invite collaboration on a casual basis or when there’s a bit of money in the pot to spend but do it on a statutory full time basis…just as important is to tell them what policing really needs #wecops
@StanGilmour
20 October 2021 21:27
@WeCops Sounds like we need a national strategy #wecops
@YorksDetective
20 October 2021 21:27
@DetectiveHelen @WeCops ?? This! We really need to move away from using police officers for technical roles that, despite their enthusiasm and willingness to do well, would actually benefit everyone and the CJS if it was a SME/professional in that field #wecops
@_Danny__S
20 October 2021 21:27
@WeCops How about we have our own S&T department that employs people to create new ideas and tech. We can look at other countries but make it ourself. Let’s now be leaders of industry and stop the outsourcing. employ creators and innovators who can make us the envy of the world #wecops
@instantiator
20 October 2021 21:27
@WeCops An easy way to unlock innovation in technology is to insist on and implement modern standards. This means common data standards and APIs that then allow forces to extend what they have by linking to new systems, and prototype new ideas without huge expense. #WeCops
@RFC_RyanHowell
20 October 2021 21:27
@WeCops #WeCops we have to be at the front, right at the front, not playing catch up 5 years later. Policing should combine efforts, so that the maximum benefit can be realised. By 43 forces doing their own thing, we're not getting the best for our teams or victims.
@mussa_meman
20 October 2021 21:27
@PCRotherham @WeCops #WeCops - yep. It’s a false economy. The initial investment may be costly but there will be savings in the long term. It’s a case of going back to our communities and asking to raise taxes to pay for this and officers.
@Lesslethalweaps
20 October 2021 21:27
@DetectiveHelen @WeCops Ooops #wecops
@TVPAmyClem
20 October 2021 21:27
@ktbg1 @WeCops I think there’s the ability, just not necessarily the appetite to (for shame). #wecops
@Rob_Flan
20 October 2021 21:28
@ANoddyHolder1 @WeCops What a great concept… Setup a “POCA INNOVATION FUND” to be used in R&D for new solutions using the cash from criminals ??????#wecops I will be happy to explore this further with @CollegeofPolice & @ProfPaulTaylor
@westieross
20 October 2021 21:28
@WeCops Need frequent horizon scanning activity to identify, assess and engage with colleagues around science & tech based threats, risks and opportunities - thinking of something covering nearish future 5-10 year timespan to complement longer term outlook of FOE 2040 @NicPole #WeCops
@GilesHerdale
20 October 2021 21:28
@instantiator @WeCops @PoliceRewired @hackthepolice Yes absolutely. It is not the lack of innovation that is holding back policing but ability to deploy solutions in an agile and timely way. That is a cultural as much as technical challenge. #wecops
@BustingCrimes
20 October 2021 21:28
@WeCops #WECOPS ONE BLOODY SYSTEM SO THAT FORCES CAN TALK TO EACH OTHER EASILY AND SHARE INFORMATION ETC ETC.
@KatieMagnet
20 October 2021 21:28
@Lesslethalweaps @DetectiveHelen @WeCops What are their qualifications to do this ? #wecops
@dadwithahat1
20 October 2021 21:29
@ktbg1 @WeCops Absolutely this. How often have we seen numerous attempts to achieve the same thing by varying routes with varying success and then limiting opportunities for information sharing and do we ever learn from each other’s mistakes ? I’d suggest we don’t and others repeat. #WeCops
@aloukes1
20 October 2021 21:29
@instantiator @WeCops @PoliceRewired The whole system of ideas and innovation needs to flow with minimal friction sometimes through to commercial products but also to realise benefits from “home made“ tools #WeCops
@CCPippaMills
20 October 2021 21:29
@DetectiveHelen @WeCops Like @ProfPaulTaylor ?? #wecops
@KatieMagnet
20 October 2021 21:29
???????????????????? #wecops https://twitter.com/StanGilmour/status/1450921597678886914
@PCRotherham
20 October 2021 21:29
@mussa_meman @WeCops And better bartering with vendor contracts. Don't just pay out £££ without a safety net of "If it's not working, and your not fixing the issues, we stop paying and walk away" *Cough* Connect *Cough* #WeCops
@instantiator
20 October 2021 21:29
@WeCops Unfortunately, procurement is often seen as the only way to develop new technologies. It's quicker, more affordable, and far lower risk to prototype internally. Forces that develop this capability can experiment, which is a key capability for innovation. #WeCops
@ANoddyHolder1
20 October 2021 21:29
@WeCops Heads Up Display of suspects faces on passenger side of car when searching areas for key suspects. Allowing for CCTv to be shared immediately in the same way but must be able to switched off when suspect or witness in car #WeCops
@ProfPaulTaylor
20 October 2021 21:29
@mark74brown @WeCops Agree. I was seconded early in my career and it shaped everything I did until I proudly joined again as CSA. There are some moves afoot to do this but we could do much more both 'in' and 'out' to industry/academia. #WeCops
@WecopsCaroline
20 October 2021 21:29
@WeCops I like we’re thinking big here… but sometimes I wonder how we fill the chasm (realistically) #WeCops
@GilesHerdale
20 October 2021 21:29
@paz565 @PFEW_HQ @WeCops Fair point and poor choice of language. #wecops
@TomGaymor
20 October 2021 21:29
@WeCops Is policing flexible/agile enough to adapt with a forever emerging/moving science and tech landscape? #WeCops
@KatieMagnet
20 October 2021 21:30
???????????? #wecops https://twitter.com/YorksDetective/status/1450921600702992385
@kerrimonaghan1
20 October 2021 21:30
@Rob_Flan @ANoddyHolder1 @WeCops @CollegeofPolice @ProfPaulTaylor Wow this is Awesome ?? #wecops
@Rob_Flan
20 October 2021 21:30
@_Danny__S @WeCops I think a lot of the people are already in place for this… across different orgs… bringing them all together is the ambition I feel now #wecops
@paz565
20 October 2021 21:30
@dadwithahat1 @WeCops We should, but they don't. I am now in another career & am away from my phone most of the day. 30 min break in the morning. 1/2hr for lunch, no afternoon break. Do I deal with emails at home? Yes, I do. Because I have to. #WeCops
@TVPAmyClem
20 October 2021 21:30
@RFC_RyanHowell @Ben_Stephenson @WeCops @amazon @Tesco We do. And I’d hope that the @CPSUK & MoJ would want to be part of that too #wecops
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:30
@Rob_Flan @ProfPaulTaylor @dadwithahat1 @kjkizer33 @ktbg1 @WeCops @hackthepolice @instantiator Agree more hack the police #WeCops
@PCRotherham
20 October 2021 21:30
@WeCops Like I'm not even being funny but imagine pressing a button to compile a person's relevant bad character? ?? What a dream rather than scouring PNC and approaching individual forces for more information - but one example #WeCops
@ProfPaulTaylor
20 October 2021 21:30
@_cidpc @WeCops Or regional/national innovation events? #WeCops
@mussa_meman
20 October 2021 21:31
@TVPAmyClem @WeCops #WeCops - recruit people with the skills into the roles. They don’t have to be police officers. However, the pay needs to reflect what they could earn in the pvt sector.
@Lesslethalweaps
20 October 2021 21:31
@DrLucyMason @WeCops @dstlmod #wecops
@RunningSc0tsman
20 October 2021 21:31
@WeCops Technology could make our lives so much easier. The technology is out there. Scanning barcodes to submit exhibits into the system. Ticking boxes for submissions to the lab. In the 21st century I shouldn’t to have 4 systems open to complete a lab submission #wecops
@westieross
20 October 2021 21:31
@DetectiveHelen @WeCops And for this approach to take a wide interpretation of ‘science and technology’ to cover qualitative as well as quantitative approaches e.g. behavioural and other social science methodology such as ethnographic studies, ‘grey literature/sources’. #EvidenceBasedPolicing #WeCops
@StanGilmour
20 October 2021 21:31
@Rob_Flan @_Danny__S @WeCops Coordinated from a core strategy that prioritises need #wecops
@ProfPaulTaylor
20 October 2021 21:32
@CCPippaMills @DetectiveHelen @WeCops More the better! #WeCops
@PCRotherham
20 October 2021 21:32
@mussa_meman @TVPAmyClem @WeCops See I agree & I don't about "not police" I think we all know what happens when people introduce ideas who have no idea what the problems are - have experience of doing the job to identify solutions with an informed mind #WeCops
@TVPAmyClem
20 October 2021 21:32
@BeakerRick @WecopsCaroline @WeCops Exactly, if we want tech experts, recruit them. Do they need a warrant card? If yes, do they need to follow the same career path as all other officers? Again, others have done this - policing doesn’t need to reinvent a model. It’s a common issue across the public sector #wecops
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:32
@ANoddyHolder1 @WeCops @PFEW_HQ Or auto redaction of Body Worn Video - tech exists, we have the capabilities to run it, just need some capacity investment #WeCops
@ProfPaulTaylor
20 October 2021 21:33
@Rob_Flan @ANoddyHolder1 @WeCops @CollegeofPolice Yes please, though I'm still learning acroynms. POCA? #WeCops
@Lesslethalweaps
20 October 2021 21:33
@KatieMagnet @DetectiveHelen @WeCops They don’t need quals as they are guided by the scientists they work for. They have policing experience in their respective areas. The current cohort work to the home office and have DSTL on speed dial for advice. #wecops
@StanGilmour
20 October 2021 21:33
@WeCops Q2: Encourage local innovation, with and for our communities and have a structure that listens, values, prioritises, funds and implements against a national strategic needs assessment and response plan #wecops
@instantiator
20 October 2021 21:33
@RunningSc0tsman @WeCops This is a perfect example of a tool that could be developed by quickly by a small, internal team - and would save a disproportionately high amount of police time. The capability to experiment with new ideas allows fast, low-risk innovation that can lead to huge savings. #WeCops
@amindfulife
20 October 2021 21:33
@WeCops Stop promoting proven police leaders in areas they have little experience in. Not their fault. Lose “we will make it work” culture and “we know better.” Seek advice outside the organisation. Be humble enough to know we don’t know. Do t follow other forces cos it’s easy #wecops
@aloukes1
20 October 2021 21:33
@DrLucyMason @Lesslethalweaps @WeCops @dstlmod There is a real trick to “extracting” the real needs - a paper-based activity can just end up with someone filling in a form without really thinking about it - some of @Rob_Flan’s innovation tools can help #wecops
@TVPAmyClem
20 October 2021 21:33
@mussa_meman @WeCops I agree apart from the pay. Plenty of examples across public sector where experts work for far less £ than in the private sector. But expertise needs to be recognised, developed, retained. #wecops
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:33
@WeCops A bit more data specific but I’d love to see a Kaggle competition with some justice problem, could help reveal inequity and bias #WeCops
@mussa_meman
20 October 2021 21:34
@PCRotherham @TVPAmyClem @WeCops #WeCops test, test and test before implementation. Work with the end users to develop what works.
@KellyScully6
20 October 2021 21:35
@dadwithahat1 @ktbg1 @WeCops Completely agree too. I’m working with others at the mo to tackle a difficult issue and in doing so create useful dialogue and it creates a collective bargaining approach when/if we need to progress things. It does always seem to be individually driven though. #wecops
@instantiator
20 October 2021 21:35
@lewis_mayling @WeCops Lewis let's chat about this. If a force doesn't have the capacity to do this, perhaps @PoliceRewired could help? #WeCops
@ProfPaulTaylor
20 October 2021 21:35
@instantiator @lewis_mayling @WeCops @PoliceRewired +1 #WeCops
@TVPAmyClem
20 October 2021 21:36
@amindfulife @WeCops Ah yes. The “you’re a good cop, here’s an IT project” issue. Let cops do policing. Let IT experts do IT stuff (etc). One of policing’s biggest strengths & equally biggest weaknesses imv - thinking we can do everything. #wecops
@dadwithahat1
20 October 2021 21:36
@KellyScully6 @ktbg1 @WeCops We don’t seem to have that ‘culture’ not sure why. Sometimes it feels like as forces we are in competition with each other for best practices or best bit of kit #WeCops.
@gmjackgm
20 October 2021 21:36
@ktbg1 @WeCops Though innovation doesn’t always have to be £££. Possibly a quiet revolution happening with engagement activities via social media? I see laudable efforts with this in my area. Questions for me - who’s evaluating this stuff? When is it better than f2f engagement? #wecops
@_Danny__S
20 October 2021 21:37
@Rob_Flan @WeCops Agree to a degree. What we need is not what another org will need so we need to focus on Policing and joint orgs. What can we adapt and share vs what we own. We outsource so much we waste money that can be invested in innovation #wecops
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:37
@instantiator @WeCops @PoliceRewired Let’s do it. I think we can create some datasets that could be published for such a purpose. Would be fascinating #WeCops
@MountyinaCounty
20 October 2021 21:38
@WeCops By leadership and purchasing depts not jumping onto every bandwagon that rolls into town offering a solution to the latest buzz issue Look at where money (serious money, not lowest bidder) can be spent for tech to be implemented into policing where it will have longevity #WeCops
@ProfPaulTaylor
20 October 2021 21:38
@TVPAmyClem @mussa_meman @WeCops And, critically, not constrained. Some evidence in related domains suggests folks join not for salary but for social good, yet get frustrated when they can't innovate and do the good that they know they could do if the 'system' allowed. #WeCops
@amindfulife
20 October 2021 21:38
@TVPAmyClem @WeCops An excellent DCI or FIC may be terrible as a digital lead. Promote and place appropriately #wecops
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:38
It’s a lively one #WeCops https://twitter.com/wecops/status/1450919751694225409
@kjkizer33
20 October 2021 21:39
@mussa_meman @PCRotherham @WeCops We should be smarter on negotiating and get the private sector to take the risks not the tax payer. If they have a genuine good solution they'll make money still plus they have the expertise, it's win win all round #wecops
@WeCops
20 October 2021 21:40
Question 3: Delivery What is the biggest barrier to delivering science and technology products/services across frontline policing, and what changes are needed to make the pull through of emerging science and tech more effective? #WeCops https://t.co/h1PCZIYAJL
@TVPAmyClem
20 October 2021 21:40
@BeakerRick @WecopsCaroline @WeCops “Nerds like certificates” ???? Serious point though - what motivates our tech experts? How do we keep them (that isn’t ££)? Use external experts to upskill them… #wecops
@StanGilmour
20 October 2021 21:40
@WeCops Q3: #wecops Trust
@jrhoyes
20 October 2021 21:41
@TomGaymor @WeCops I agree with what some others have said, this varies greatly depending on where you are in the country and the work is duplicated because of the isolated pockets in different forces. We need to be better at sharing ongoing work or reduce number of forces #WeCops
@Lesslethalweaps
20 October 2021 21:41
@aloukes1 @DrLucyMason @WeCops @dstlmod @Rob_Flan Agree although our National operational requirements can take months to complete as we consult every force to ensure we’ve captured every possible gap in capability against a scenario based set of circumstances. #wecops
@westieross
20 October 2021 21:41
@ProfPaulTaylor @mark74brown @WeCops Interesting and consideration maybe needed to working out how police staff and academics from universities could be seconded into each other’s respective institutions - currently fixed term appointments are a no no for people with commitments requiring more job security. #WeCops
@mussa_meman
20 October 2021 21:41
@JohnRobertMc @WeCops #WeCops would it not be better to identify the barriers/procedures etc outlined and find ways to remove them? May take time but it is required if we want to see improvements in performance, productivity and may lead better deployment of resources, identify issues earlier.
@TVPAmyClem
20 October 2021 21:41
@ProfPaulTaylor @mussa_meman @WeCops Completely agree. Working for social good is a powerful motivator, but constraint, frequent negative responses to ideas, difficulty in implementing new things all wear ppl down. #wecops
@RFC_RyanHowell
20 October 2021 21:41
@WeCops #WeCops wanting to do it our own way, despite numerous other forces having already done it, made mistakes and learnt. We don't trust other Force's decisions enough in regards to S&T.
@kerrimonaghan1
20 October 2021 21:42
@WeCops Procurement definitely. I guess that’s about money and making sure it’s spent wisely but processes can be so long! #wecops
@KatieMagnet
20 October 2021 21:42
Use qualified professionals via specials etc. Learn from them and tap into their wisdom #wecops https://twitter.com/WeCops/status/1450919751694225409
@_Danny__S
20 October 2021 21:42
@aloukes1 @WeCops But it’s different IT departments working from their own policies and different security that creates the question of what can we do to change it. PNC hasn’t changed much and that National.Old tech, slightly updated but works. Can we develop, own and manage new tech? Yes. #wecops
@StanGilmour
20 October 2021 21:42
@RFC_RyanHowell @WeCops #wecops Trust
@PCRotherham
20 October 2021 21:43
@BeakerRick @WeCops ?? and yet we fork out for half baked tech that looks aweful, doesn't communicate with other forces, CPS, court, defence etc #WeCops
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:43
Here we go #WeCops https://twitter.com/wecops/status/1450924784842326017
@instantiator
20 October 2021 21:43
@WeCops Similarly, 43 forces with 43 different solutions is very difficult to justify as interoperability becomes more and more important. Common data standards and open APIs can alleviate this. #WeCops https://twitter.com/instantiator/status/1450921704180658188
@mark74brown
20 October 2021 21:43
@YorksDetective @DetectiveHelen @WeCops Agreed…warrant cards and the powers that come with it are wasted within this environment…that doesn’t mean you cut off officers involvement obviously as they need to know about what’s being developed etc & have a say & test it all #wecops
@dadwithahat1
20 October 2021 21:43
@KellyScully6 @ktbg1 @WeCops I think it’s the adversarial nature of police promotion sometimes doesn’t help as it gets harder and people want to stand out. We need to break free and all over share as it will lead to better outcomes #WeCops
@_cidpc
20 October 2021 21:43
@kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops And by the time the processes are complete the tech is already old. Constantly playing catch up #wecops
@amindfulife
20 October 2021 21:43
@WeCops Lack of training, lack of funding and the under estimation of the number of devices/ lines of enquires to be followed up. Setting of unrealistic targets by CPS/judiciary. Biggest barrier is time and DG6 guidance is not helping with that #wecops
@GilesHerdale
20 October 2021 21:44
@TVPAmyClem @BeakerRick @WecopsCaroline @WeCops The chance to make impact, have their value recognised and gain CPD is all hugely motivating. Policing has a powerful mission to motivate support and engagement if it has an enabling and supportive culture. #wecops
@kjkizer33
20 October 2021 21:44
@WeCops Speed of assurance around security and ethics. We should be quicker at proving the tech with test data and the end users to decide very quickly whether to proceed or not with the solution #wecops
@MountyinaCounty
20 October 2021 21:44
@ProfPaulTaylor @WeCops We live in hope. Have a set criteria, keep to it, achieve it within a reasonable time frame before we have been left behind by industry and innovation in criminality. #WeCops
@GilesHerdale
20 October 2021 21:45
@WeCops ‘Not invented here’ #wecops
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:45
@instantiator @WeCops We need to fail fast sometimes #WeCops
@KatieMagnet
20 October 2021 21:45
@Lesslethalweaps @DetectiveHelen @WeCops Let's put it this way I trained people on Athena . Some of the specials on the courses their forces missed out on their vast knowledge #wecops needs more than who can fill a void.
@amindfulife
20 October 2021 21:45
@WeCops Also the very outdated and massively expensive procurement. Costs too much and takes too long #wecops
@Rob_Flan
20 October 2021 21:45
This ????#wecops https://twitter.com/gilesherdale/status/1450925832961241091
@westieross
20 October 2021 21:45
@ktbg1 @WeCops More and braver use of existing powers to mandate forces around use of specific tech solutions to drive consistency needed? Provided the solutions are proven, designed and developed with user input and cost effective! #WeCops
@TVPAmyClem
20 October 2021 21:46
@kjkizer33 @mussa_meman @PCRotherham @WeCops Again, ime tends to be down to who negotiates & what freedom / expertise they have. Multinationals run rings round a non-experienced contract negotiator. It’s a specialist role. Private sector will exploit contacts if not written v well. #wecops
@NCA_GarryCrone
20 October 2021 21:46
@WeCops #wecops TRACER is hosted by NCA but works on behalf of NPCC, Intelligence community and HMRC. Their work recognises fully that traditional methods to tackle the crimes enabled or facilitated by the ever-changing digital doesn't work. They champion innovation and agile delivery
@ANoddyHolder1
20 October 2021 21:46
@WeCops There is no National mobile device and as such numerous forces have different apps for using the same system thinking Athena and CONNECT. #WeCops
@instantiator
20 October 2021 21:46
@kjkizer33 @WeCops Agree, absence of good synthesised data is a real impediment to innovation. It's another key part of the puzzle - something to build against that isn't sensitive - so that more, and external partners can participate in innovation and try out new ideas. #WeCops
@Lesslethalweaps
20 October 2021 21:46
@WeCops S and t providers need to be invested in what we do. We need proper financial investment and a time limit on the project as they have a habit of rolling on and on. Scientists should understand our role too. Our scientists are very much a part of our world. #wecops
@StanGilmour
20 October 2021 21:46
@lewis_mayling #wecops Maybe a lack of stable building-blocks to support some of the proposed solutions. Think about what's needed top support some of the S&T and get it in place beforehand.
@ProfPaulTaylor
20 October 2021 21:47
@Rob_Flan I do think we need science and innovation awards. Ideas for the trophy welcome. #WeCops
@instantiator
20 October 2021 21:47
@westieross @ktbg1 @WeCops Agree - although common standards are documented and shared by PDS standards portal, unfortunately there's no policy or authority to enforce open standards wherever possible. #WeCops
@gmjackgm
20 October 2021 21:47
@WeCops Sometimes ‘solutions’ that sound innovative won’t survive the reality of policing, a complex social activity. Take engagement: is there something lost in consultation/deliberation processes when not f2f? A lot of unknowns, and changes may not be just either + or - #wecops
@O_M_Gower
20 October 2021 21:47
@WeCops Some things could be done once in a central capability, eg procurement, implementation, infosec, to a national strategy, with local/force embedded tech support and engagement staff, for efficiency and standardisation and as an enabler for collaboration and innovation #wecops
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:47
@WeCops Senior understanding of the tech, frontline voice in what is needed, ICT departments closely linked to ‘business’ side of policing & its needs, teams working together in Agile (in a project management) sense way, using dev ops principles #WeCops
@StanGilmour
20 October 2021 21:47
@instantiator @kjkizer33 @WeCops And the architecture to support it #buildingblocks #wecops
@amindfulife
20 October 2021 21:48
@WeCops Finally a point I raise ld to Q2. Departmental heads proven in one field inexperienced in this and unable to make informed decisions, guided by parties with vested interests in selling their products #wecops
@chris_greany
20 October 2021 21:48
@WeCops 43 Forces..#wecops
@WeCops
20 October 2021 21:48
@BeakerRick @PCRotherham #wecops
@dadwithahat1
20 October 2021 21:48
@WeCops Time for officers to understand it, the need it addresses and to understand the positive impact. An EG. Had an old sweat who hated tech and thought ANPR was crap until he saw it used to find a car linked to a serious offence and allow him to intercept. Complete 180 #WeCops
@RimmerCarolyn
20 October 2021 21:48
@WeCops #WeCops IT infrastructure has no space for innovation …. What I mean is the needs across the police infrastructure is not balanced … changes to improve science and capabilities for forensics has and continues to take second,third place to competing policing challenges
@O_M_Gower
20 October 2021 21:48
@WeCops Money, money and money #wecops
@WeCops
20 October 2021 21:48
@ElRicicle Don’t forget the #wecops
@usaidbolt
20 October 2021 21:48
@TomGaymor @WeCops Absolutely not. The procurement, development and deployment process for police IT systems takes YEARS. And after all that, you’ll often find the final product isn’t fit for purpose. #wecops
@StanGilmour
20 October 2021 21:48
@lewis_mayling @WeCops #wecops #lookcloser
@ANoddyHolder1
20 October 2021 21:48
@WeCops “We do it this was because that’s what we have always done” is the biggest threat #WeCops
@Rob_Flan
20 October 2021 21:49
@ProfPaulTaylor We have things such as the problem solving awards - I’m keen we have a specific award where innovation plays a big part in the design. Rather than create new ceremony/process - innovation needs to be embedded into everything we do so integrated into what we already have #wecops
@Rob_Flan
20 October 2021 21:49
RT @ANoddyHolder1: @WeCops “We do it this was because that’s what we have always done” is the biggest threat #WeCops
@mike200hope
20 October 2021 21:50
@WeCops #wecops Get the right people onto project teams. Often used as development and promotion opportunities for people who may not have the right skills
@ProfPaulTaylor
20 October 2021 21:50
@gmjackgm @WeCops This is very true. Even our most innovative partners have to guess the reality to some extent. I'm keen to find ways to help their understanding, since then the delivery will be so much better. #WeCops
@NCA_GarryCrone
20 October 2021 21:50
@WeCops #wecops. TRACER produce an excellent Strategic Threat and Risk Assessment supported by highly relevant environmental assessments on key topics and issues facing investigation and intelligence colleagues. Contact is via OTAC@nca.gov.uk. Thoroughly recommend you engage with them.
@WeCops
20 October 2021 21:50
@RFC_RyanHowell @kjkizer33 Don’t forget the #wecops ??
@aloukes1
20 October 2021 21:50
@StanGilmour @instantiator @kjkizer33 @WeCops ?? this is a place where some joint investment would really help. #wecops
@TVPAmyClem
20 October 2021 21:50
@amindfulife @WeCops Agreed. #wecops
@KellyScully6
20 October 2021 21:51
@wecops Faster and simpler procurement processes. Some take so long the tech we're procuring is sometimes out of date by the time we get it. Plus clearer and faster off-boarding processes to help prevent continued buy in due to cost of change. #wecops
@KatieMagnet
20 October 2021 21:51
43 forces no collective decisions. #wecops ?? https://twitter.com/WeCops/status/1450924784842326017
@StanGilmour
20 October 2021 21:51
@mike200hope @WeCops Yes, and knowing what skills are required is a fundamental building block #wecops
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:51
@WeCops Certainly the underpinning architecture undermines the push to bring in newer tech, it does need some investment to get us to a state where we are ready to exploit what’s possible. The public will expect us to use tech for public good, we need to meet their expectations #WeCops
@EmWilliamsOU
20 October 2021 21:51
This ???????????? #wecops https://twitter.com/gilesherdale/status/1450925832961241091
@O_M_Gower
20 October 2021 21:52
@WeCops + range of dated laptops/desktops, huge range of software with attendant bug hunting needed, different needs in different depth and forces, many systems having GUIs that are hard to navigate & poor essential functionality like search or lacking aids for disclosure etc. #wecops
@jrhoyes
20 October 2021 21:52
@WeCops The breakup of identifying or developing S&T into 43ish different development cycles with its own procurement. Then the deployment and training on top. It makes small/medium developments either cost or time prohibitive. #WeCops
@CCPippaMills
20 October 2021 21:52
@ichliebejean1 @WeCops The benefit is it decision-making more agile but definitely not the only consideration #wecops
@transferredcop
20 October 2021 21:52
@WeCops I’d also say training on said teck, training now days is either death by PowerPoint or a video where half of the little issues that could happen never do, or it’s a department spok who gets a little training and they don’t really know it in detail #WeCops
@westieross
20 October 2021 21:53
@WeCops Terminology and clear understandable language is essential, taking into account many not scientifically trained.Ties in with how Evidence Based Policing could be fully understood and embedded at all levels including practitioners on frontline and other parts of forces. #WeCops
@paz565
20 October 2021 21:53
@dadwithahat1 @WeCops All those 'Teams' meetings, Zoom things at 10:30hrs on a Monday!? 'We'd love as many of you as possible to join in, because you matter...' ?? Meet the New Boss, same as the old Boss... won't get fooled again! ?????????? #WeCops
@aloukes1
20 October 2021 21:53
@chris_greany @WeCops We need just enough principles and standards (across people, process and technology, procurement) to enable collaboration and sharing of S&T without stifling local and departmental differences #wecops
@EmWilliamsOU
20 October 2021 21:53
@GilesHerdale @TVPAmyClem @BeakerRick @WecopsCaroline @WeCops Gain CPD and indeed influence its development to create iterative learning. Use the knowledge and share it to empower others #wecops
@BeakerRick
20 October 2021 21:53
@WeCops "You have to buy from *company*" despite the fact it's twice the price, will take 6 months to turn up, and there will be a new version by then so you're going through the same process again. #WeCops
@StanGilmour
20 October 2021 21:54
@CCPippaMills @ichliebejean1 @WeCops Smarter and better informed decision-making that has the benefit of foresight driving it #techenabled #wecops
@GilesHerdale
20 October 2021 21:54
RT @Rob_Flan: This ????#wecops
@WeCops
20 October 2021 21:54
@beltfedgob Don’t forget the #wecops ??
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:55
@SomersetBear @WeCops Agreed. For our tech we have a development environment, test environment and production. But those principles can be applied more widely #WeCops
@instantiator
20 October 2021 21:55
@KellyScully6 @WeCops Insisting on open standards with well-defined APIs during procurement can help with this - as each product is then easily replaceable - leading to a genuinely competitive market, and fewer vendor lock-ins or monopolies. #WeCops
@ANoddyHolder1
20 October 2021 21:55
@WeCops Imagination being stifled because people don’t understand - think Barnes Wallis bouncing bomb - one bizarre idea will work and we need to let people speak regardless of role! #wecops
@StanGilmour
20 October 2021 21:55
@WeCops Silos. We need a national strategy coordinated from the centre for a whole-systems approach #wecops
@EmWilliamsOU
20 October 2021 21:55
This is so true. Inclusivity is key #wecops https://twitter.com/westieross/status/1450928090746695681
@_cidpc
20 October 2021 21:55
@RFC_RyanHowell @kjkizer33 @WeCops I never thought of this but such a great idea. A great example of the tech existing, but we aren’t allowed to use it to its full potential #wecops
@jrhoyes
20 October 2021 21:56
@WeCops There’s also a lack of ability to share *ongoing* attempts to innovate/develop S&T across the country. Better once implemented? If multiple forces are working on the same problem independently, there’s an opportunity to reduce cost/time earlier if they can work together #WeCops
@_Danny__S
20 October 2021 21:56
@WeCops The barrier is that when new tech is created the companies that make it don’t share with Police on how to secure evidence and prosecutions. We are last to know which creates hinderance and costs to investigate or prosecute. Some companies aren’t UK based and won’t help #wecops
@westieross
20 October 2021 21:56
@WeCops Simple way to describe this would be ensuring the ‘translatability’ of science and tech solutions and interventions. #WeCops
@StanGilmour
20 October 2021 21:56
@ANoddyHolder1 @WeCops #lookclosely #wecops
@mark74brown
20 October 2021 21:56
@WeCops A bit of: Letting go of force independence culture from SMT’s Effective collaboration between public & private sector + scientific academia Funding Deciding what policing needs but asking the public also what they need the police to do using S&T #wecops
@KatieMagnet
20 October 2021 21:56
RT @StanGilmour: @WeCops Silos. We need a national strategy coordinated from the centre for a whole-systems approach #wecops
@DrLucyMason
20 October 2021 21:56
RT @StanGilmour: @WeCops Silos. We need a national strategy coordinated from the centre for a whole-systems approach #wecops
@RFC_RyanHowell
20 October 2021 21:57
@WeCops #WeCops Also: blinkered visions. We must be wise enough to say 'that didn't/doesn't work' and stop. Change tact. Change our approach. Too often, we see projects go on and on and on, at huge expense, because we don't step back and reflect enough.
@StanGilmour
20 October 2021 21:57
@instantiator @KellyScully6 @WeCops Adopt an open science approach and avoid the pitfalls of stealth IP #wecops
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 21:57
@westieross @kjkizer33 @WeCops Another underrated tweet #WeCops ?? ??????
@dadwithahat1
20 October 2021 21:58
@WeCops Funding as well as time. In a private company they invest and see a return. It’s hard for us to visualise or demonstrate effective returns on tech or infrastructure and thus demonstrate the needs for capital investment. Our whole funding isn’t really set up in that way #WeCops
@ProfPaulTaylor
20 October 2021 21:58
@jrhoyes @WeCops Honest sharing undoubtedly key, combined with a culture that expects and values failure. Working on mechanisms to help that. #WeCops
@BeakerRick
20 October 2021 21:58
@EmWilliamsOU @GilesHerdale @TVPAmyClem @WecopsCaroline @WeCops If CPD is used as a sweetener it has to be something recognised outside the organisation too. Otherwise it has no value outside the organisation, and people aren't inclined to do it once they relaise. #WeCops
@paz565
20 October 2021 21:58
@GilesHerdale @TVPAmyClem @BeakerRick @WecopsCaroline @WeCops Is that Continuous Professional Development? #WeCops
@StanGilmour
20 October 2021 21:58
@jrhoyes @WeCops I'd say we need someone to coordinate a national whole systems strategy for S&T #wecops
@NCA_GarryCrone
20 October 2021 21:59
@mike200hope @WeCops #wecops duplication of effort and the lack of inclusive routes for collaboration, especially in defining the problem properly, continue to waste time and money. Innovation requires people to step back from the tactical position and think wider. TRACER helps facilitate that.
@jrhoyes
20 October 2021 21:59
@ElRicicle @WeCops I’ve not really thought about this but can absolutely see it. Is it inordinately difficult to commit expenditure over multiple years? #WeCops
@PFEW_HQ
20 October 2021 21:59
RT @RFC_RyanHowell: @WeCops #WeCops Also: blinkered visions. We must be wise enough to say 'that didn't/doesn't work' and stop. Change tact…
@WeCops
20 October 2021 22:00
That's it! What a great chat on Police Science & Technology! Thank you to our hosts @StanGilmour @DrLucyMason @ProfPaulTaylor If you would like to host a @WeCops chat please do get in touch - we are fully booked for the rest of this year and now booking for 2022! #WeCops https://t.co/Ms89XLNV0e
@ProfPaulTaylor
20 October 2021 22:00
@dadwithahat1 @WeCops Being able to demonstrate the value of S&T is something many struggle with inside and outside policing. We need to support this more so we can speak about the value provided in clear terms #WeCops
@RFC_RyanHowell
20 October 2021 22:00
@kjkizer33 @WeCops I can't speak for all forces, obviously, but it's my understanding that not all forces have adopted the functionality that the NEP have supported or advocated. #WeCops
@GilesHerdale
20 October 2021 22:00
@lewis_mayling @westieross @kjkizer33 @WeCops Clearly articulated ethical standards, transparency and robust oversight are all vital to building and maintaining public trust in new technology #policingbyconsent #wecops
@ProfPaulTaylor
20 October 2021 22:01
@StanGilmour @instantiator @KellyScully6 @WeCops Open science critical. #WeCops
@Rob_Flan
20 October 2021 22:01
@WeCops @StanGilmour @DrLucyMason @ProfPaulTaylor Thanks all - Can’t wait to see what we can all produce out of some of these ideas ??#wecops
@ElRicicle
20 October 2021 22:01
@jrhoyes @WeCops If Central Gov departments struggle I can’t see it being any easier across 43 regional budgets.. #wecops
@kjkizer33
20 October 2021 22:02
@RFC_RyanHowell @WeCops I think that's it, someone mentioned it earlier, trust. We've got a centrally assured position so why aren't we just accepting that and implementing instead of trying to once again "customise"? Niche all over again ?? #wecops
@amindfulife
20 October 2021 22:02
@StanGilmour @KatieMagnet @WeCops When I was on regional motorway the involved forces couldn’t even agree on a crest to go on the side of the cars. What hope then have we? #WeCops
@WeCops
20 October 2021 22:02
@westieross @kjkizer33 ???????? #WeCops
@kerrimonaghan1
20 October 2021 22:02
Not only are we fully booked for the rest of the year we are also doing weekly chats between now and Christmas! Some exciting chats coming up! #wecops https://twitter.com/WeCops/status/1450929821211455488
@dadwithahat1
20 October 2021 22:02
@ProfPaulTaylor @WeCops Most tech stuff by its nature is costly to deliver and it’s how we find ways to show the time saving, the better outcomes, the better safeguarding and how that translates back against that ‘cost’ #WeCops
@chris_greany
20 October 2021 22:03
@aloukes1 @WeCops The conversations about this have gone on for at least 20 years, no matter how the good the processes are across PPT - 43 ways creates barriers to any tangible progress..#wecops
@BeakerRick
20 October 2021 22:03
@dadwithahat1 @WeCops You can show benefit by working out how much time/wages can be saved by buying the required tech. “If you need a machine and don't buy it, then you will ultimately find that you have paid for it and don't have it.” - Henry Ford #WeCops
@KellyScully6
20 October 2021 22:04
@dadwithahat1 @ktbg1 @WeCops I totally agree on both points. It would be interesting to look at the longevity of those 'projects' delivered for that purpose, I think we'll find very few that stuckand continue to show long term benefits. #wecops
@RFC_RyanHowell
20 October 2021 22:04
Enjoyed the #WeCops Science and Technology discussion tonight. Doesn't an hour go quickly!? We have to aim for excellence and not mediocrity @WeCops
@chris_greany
20 October 2021 22:05
@PFM192381 @WeCops 86 feuding Barons..the CC & the PCC..Its all very good nodding away at Chiefs Council, then everyone goes home and carries on as before..#wecops
@ProfPaulTaylor
20 October 2021 22:05
@BeakerRick @dadwithahat1 @WeCops time, wages and quality of service. Tech's biggest contribution is often making the experience better for the public. #WeCops
@DrLucyMason
20 October 2021 22:06
@WeCops @StanGilmour @ProfPaulTaylor Thank you #WeCops really rich debate with so many great points raised!
@_Danny__S
20 October 2021 22:06
@ProfPaulTaylor @gmjackgm @WeCops I don’t think we should concentrate on just the future. It’s what can we do now. Can we make something fit a process that is different in 43 different forces to make it simple and work. When we get something working then it can evolve. We crawl before we run #wecops
@kjkizer33
20 October 2021 22:06
@GilesHerdale @lewis_mayling @westieross @WeCops 100%, I'm not debating the need, I'm just saying there is no point looking at the ethics first as a lot goes into that when the tech may not be of any use. That said more general guidance would be welcome for use of AI etc in law enforcement #wecops
@dadwithahat1
20 October 2021 22:06
@BeakerRick @WeCops I think much of the benefit we see from tech isn’t about time. It’s about effectiveness. Our ability to use some tech on phones has absolutely allowed us to intercept and arrest (and see charged) 4 for murder in 40 minutes from offence. How do you quantify that #WeCops
@aloukes1
20 October 2021 22:07
@chris_greany @WeCops I would suggest that previous attempts have been too rigid in detailed strict standards that make it hard for everyone - that’s why I say “just enough” For example NEP and AWS PALZ give a framework for hosting and authenticating securely #wecops
@Miles_PBH
20 October 2021 22:07
@TVPAmyClem @BeakerRick @WecopsCaroline @WeCops Many IT folks are specials, they’ll likely want to keep doing the exciting response stuff they joined to experience but there are those who are happy to donate their IT skills for free too. Just needs competent management. #wecops #LearnFromCSCV
@dadwithahat1
20 October 2021 22:08
@KellyScully6 @ktbg1 @WeCops I’d suggest attrition is high and then ongoing interest low #WeCops
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 22:08
@AndreasThinks @instantiator @WeCops @PoliceRewired I think we can do this and I have a few ideas too #WeCops
@paz565
20 October 2021 22:08
@dadwithahat1 @WeCops Abso-flaming-lutely. It's a different world 'our there' & I suggest more learning could be had than the twaddle peddled by @CollegeofPolice What works? What doesn't? What can WE do to change what needs fixing? Simple stuff - the rest surely follow. #WeCops
@aloukes1
20 October 2021 22:08
@dadwithahat1 @BeakerRick @WeCops This is a great point, it’s really hard to quantify but some fairly small changes in efficiency can completely revolutionise the approach to an investigation #WindowOfOpportunity #wecops
@dadwithahat1
20 October 2021 22:09
@aloukes1 @BeakerRick @WeCops Absolutely this. Go back a few years and we would not have had that. I can think of many others as well #WeCops.
@DrLucyMason
20 October 2021 22:10
RT @RFC_RyanHowell: Enjoyed the #WeCops Science and Technology discussion tonight. Doesn't an hour go quickly!? We have to aim for excell…
@NCA_GarryCrone
20 October 2021 22:10
@WeCops #wecops need to collaborate better to understand needs, reduce duplication to maximise money (savings) & ensure investment boards & those who sit on them understand properly the issues. Investment also needs to be based on value to end user; not benefits. There's a difference
@jrhoyes
20 October 2021 22:10
@RFC_RyanHowell @kjkizer33 @WeCops This is a precise example of where it quickly breaks down. I want to work within a team on MS Teams with regional policing partners, but can’t because they are on a separate cloud. We should be able to share within policing much easier but issues start with these basics #WeCops
@nwalton2502
20 October 2021 22:10
@ktbg1 @WeCops Home many #wecops know the role @dstlmod has in police & security S&T within the U.K? @dstlmod has experience in defence that is transferable to policing
@lewis_mayling
20 October 2021 22:10
@Marion_InfoLaw @GilesHerdale @WeCops Yes. And how that changes decision making, with processes to re-evaluate and re-calibrate #WeCops
@WecopsCaroline
20 October 2021 22:11
2022 ?? where is life going!?! Apart from booking a #Wecops chat in, let’s all make one plan to do before 2022….. mine will be?????? I’ll let you decide!!! https://twitter.com/WeCops/status/1450929821211455488
@KatieMagnet
20 October 2021 22:11
@amindfulife @StanGilmour @WeCops Proper made me laugh . So true #wecops
@BeakerRick
20 October 2021 22:11
@dadwithahat1 @WeCops If the Kiosk (or whatever one you're using) wasn't available the phones would end up at your digital forensics team? I would guess that's a few weeks with extra wages and time. Effectiveness is both about quality AND money. The two are linked. #WeCops
@chris_greany
20 October 2021 22:12
@aloukes1 @WeCops That example would send most CC's & PCC's running for the Dictionary !...they still dont realise cloud isnt actually..???? #wecops
@KatieMagnet
20 October 2021 22:12
???????? #wecops thank you for a great discussion. https://twitter.com/HolyCow_Inc/status/1450817245408550927
@DrLucyMason
20 October 2021 22:12
RT @nwalton2502: @ktbg1 @WeCops Home many #wecops know the role @dstlmod has in police & security S&T within the U.K? @dstlmod has experien…
@ElRicicle
20 October 2021 22:12
@jrhoyes @WeCops That’s something we are very keen to lean into @DASAccelerator to ensure policing can get the most out of what’s already funded and that awareness of new projects is shared across policing, especially where it’s police centric via the Security Open Call #wecops
@dadwithahat1
20 October 2021 22:14
@BeakerRick @WeCops In this case it was more that we have full access on our phones to certain systems that used to be desktop only and limited. It allowed officers on the ground to identify and locate offenders. Few years back it would have been far more limiting. #WeCops
@paz565
20 October 2021 22:14
@WeCops @aspsarah_crew @BTPMcEwan @ASPolice @BTP Arrest everyone who does that. Sorted. ???? #WeCops
@PFM192381
20 October 2021 22:16
@chris_greany @WeCops Precisely #wecops
@IslamicChaplain
20 October 2021 22:17
@WeCops A lot of old technology is available but underutilised simply because of not knowing how to do things. Eg. a "simple" mail merge is a struggle for many. #wecops
@jrhoyes
20 October 2021 22:18
@ElRicicle @WeCops @DASAccelerator I’m really keen to explore this further and keep @DASAccelerator in mind. I assume simply through your website? #WeCops
@kjkizer33
20 October 2021 22:19
@jrhoyes @RFC_RyanHowell @WeCops I'm hoping that is due to the force not having completed the nep rollout, as you say the whole premise is collaboration, the tech is there (IAM defined for guest access by nep). Wonder if your force has made its own decision on governance? ?? #wecops
@ktbg1
20 October 2021 22:22
@WeCops @aspsarah_crew @BTPMcEwan @ASPolice @BTP Really looking forward to this one. @Maggie_Blyth be good to share with VAWG force leads if we can? #wecops
@ktbg1
20 October 2021 22:24
@WeCops @StanGilmour @DrLucyMason @ProfPaulTaylor 2022!!!! Such an organised #wecops team ??
@JohnRobertMc
20 October 2021 22:25
@mussa_meman @WeCops The problem is many of them are so ingrained, often legal (eg PACE) and quite frankly national that making changes are difficult. I agree we should but change especially culturally is difficult….a long road #WeCops
@MattyElSladio
20 October 2021 22:26
@WeCops #WeCops quick-time phone work (charter and location). I realise we need buy-in from phone companies.
@DrVickyKemp
20 October 2021 22:28
RT @StanGilmour: @WeCops Silos. We need a national strategy coordinated from the centre for a whole-systems approach #wecops
@JohnRobertMc
20 October 2021 22:29
@mussa_meman @WeCops The problem is many of them are so ingrained, often legal (eg PACE) and quite frankly national, that making changes is somewhat difficult. I agree we should but change especially culturally just isn’t easy….a long road #WeCops
@Omi_082
20 October 2021 22:29
RT @KatieMagnet: ???????? #wecops thank you for a great discussion.




 Stats

 
 Total contributers: 63
 Total tweets: 354
 Total reach: 1,395,003