#WeCops - Wednesday 19th October 2022 9pm (GMT Standard Time) Response Policing post Response Week

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Response Policing is a key role that sits at the heart of policing. Response officers are often the youngest in service, the first to respond to danger and often the first, and only face of policing, most members of the public will come into contact with.

This year’s Response Week of Action focussed on celebrating the professionalism and courage of Response Officers along with recognising the challenges facing response policing. This discussion will provide an opportunity to debrief the week and discuss how we can use this feedback to understand the challenges and opportunities impacting on the future development of this role.

Having acknowledged the challenges associated with the role, it would be remiss not to discuss how incredibly rewarding Response Policing can be. As front-line responders, there are opportunities to make a positive impact on the daily lives of people in our local communities.

 

Throughout the Response Week of Action, there were several inputs arranged by the College of Policing, focussing on key topics that Response Officers had highlighted as areas of concern. You can find these on the knowledge hub, the link is below. These inputs can be used throughout the year and are for your professional development. They can be found in the library section of the Response Policing page.

 

Knowledge Hub- NPCC Response Policing Week of Action 2022

Meet your Hosts!

DCC Rob Carden

I have almost 30 years policing experience and have recently transferred from Merseyside Police to Cumbria Constabulary on promotion to Deputy Chief Constable. For three and half years of my five years as an ACC, I have had responsibility for Merseyside’s Response and Resolution portfolio. In addition to the Call Handling Centre and Emergency Incident Response Teams, I also had responsibility for Force Operations and Matrix (specialist capabilities).

I am keen to use this experience in my role as the NPCC Response Policing Portfolio lead and I aim to build on this year’s Response Policing Week of Action to ensure that this most crucial policing role is recognised as a specialist policing function. I have recently met with my portfolio leads to ensure that we use the feedback from this initiative to review our objectives and structure in the interests of achieving wider operational, procedural and policy influence. In order to support this process and ensure that I fulfil my responsibilities as portfolio lead, it is important that I have your views on this area of policing.

With the response portfolio being relatively new, I am committed to its development. I am working with the strand leads to review the portfolio objectives and set the priorities for the year ahead.

We are a standing group who will represent response, their interests and celebrate their work, to succeed we need your support in engaging and providing feedback so we can represent your views.


Inspector Suzy McDonnell – Kent Police

I have 27 years policing experience all with Kent Police. All of my career has been frontline uniform policing in Response, Neighbourhood & Custody.  More recently upon promotion I am now a 24/7 Response Inspector policing West Kent.

I am honoured to be asked to co host with the NPCC lead for Response Policing DCC Carden.  Earlier this year I hosted my own #Wecops chat of the Officer Staff Safety Review (OSSR)& Op Hampshire, recognising the frontline uniform officers & staff concerns regarding the increasing number of assaults on Emergency Workers. I worked on the National Portfolio for the OSSR & Op Hampshire for the NPCC lead Chief Constable Alan Pughsley QPM completing 28 recommendations and 50 workstreams of the Officer Staff Safety Review.

Response police officers who are often the youngest in service, the first to respond to danger and often the first police officer that members of the public come into contact with, areat the very forefront of the immediate risk of being assaulted.

I am passionate about supporting and recognising our frontline responders, ensuring that the valuable role that they perform in policing and those in policing’s most demanding roles can engage and give feedback to the Response Policing strand leads.  This will help the development of DCC Carden’s portfolio, the review of the objectives and priorities for the year ahead needs your views on this area of policing  to recognise this crucial role in policing is recognised, protected & supported.

Your engagement and feedback is crucial for the strand leads to represent your views for the future of Response Policing.

#ResponsePolicingWeek

https://news.npcc.police.uk/releases/response-policing-week-of-action-will-highlight-the-work-of-response-officers 

 





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Our WeCops chat on Wednesday 19 October was all about Response Policing. The chat was hosted by Rob Carden, Deputy Chief Constable of Cumbria Constabulary, NPCC Response Policing Lead @CumbriaDCC. The event was also supported by ACC Jonny Blackwell (Cumbria),Con Ian Stephenson (Cumbria), Chief Superintendent Chris Gibson (GMP) @Chrismgibs, Chief Superintendent Jenny Barnett(Essex) @JennyBarnett21, Chief Superintendent Matt Kennerley (Cumbria) @Suptvision25, Response Inspector Suzy McDonnell (Kent) @suzymcdonnell2, Chief Superintendent Mark Wiggins (Merseyside) and Superintendent Karl Baldwin (Merseyside).

The event was an opportunity for colleagues to debate some of the issues facing response policing. The discussion centred around three main questions, namely:

1. Have the challenges facing response changed in the last 12 months?
2. How can we recognise the role of a response officer as a specialism?
3. How can we champion response officers?

 

It was a very well attended event, which surpassed expectations (total reach 973,520)

 

The main themes that featured throughout the evening included increasing demand, resourcing issues, reward and recognition, the profile of response, welfare and trauma, leadership visibility and lack of experience on the front line.

In terms of the first question, the main challenges that continue to face response officers are non-crime demand, for example @davpaul80 said, ‘I recently went out with the ACC from my force which was great of her to come out with response, one of her last comments to me was “Of all the jobs we have been to, we haven’t been to 1 crime” I replied I have done that for a full set of shifts before’. This was a common theme amongst participants with DCC Carden recognising the importance of working with partners to ensure that the most appropriate agency deals, which is currently being challenged by Chief Constables across the country,

Another key theme was a lack of experience on the front line with @nickoli2238 saying, ‘When I joined my tutor had 10 years experience, as did their tutor, now you are looking at 2-3 years. Nothing against this but a lot of policing experience has been lost.’

The importance of strong, visible leadership was discussed by many, with an excellent point made by @AC91 who said, ‘Tutors, Sgts & Insp less experienced than historically. Frequent changes so less understanding of team. Incident types, mission creep, increased workload all been increasing for years. What hasn’t changed is they go to work do their best & need our support’.

It was recognised that there is some great work underway to address the challenges response officers face with @PeteA86 saying, ‘coming out of a pandemic, with op uplift challenges has presented difficult periods. But not all negative, more focus on response policing and it feels more of a priority’.

 

We then moved to question 2 where some interesting ideas were shared with @medwaymakem saying, ‘In the military for certain qualifications you get an arm patch or badge I believe it’s time response officers were recognised and rewarded with something similar not too big’. This is a great idea and one that the portfolio leads will be exploring,

A common theme was investing in staff, giving them the training and skills they need to do their role, with @kerrimonaghan1 saying, ‘Recognise the hard work they do, give them the courses they ask for (reasonably), make sure they have the right kit to do their jobs, decent car, etc. Don’t underestimate the moral boost having a “boss” come and work on the shop floor and see things for themselves.’ Development opportunities was a key theme as well as CPD for officers and tutors, the College of Policing continue to support with a range of CPD opportunities accessible on theknowledge hub, the link can be found in the pre-tweet blog.

Some great words to hear from @mickydoos who said, ‘To be fair, since my return to response from CID, my skippers have been very keen to get me thru courses. In the last year I’ve had initial car, taser and IPP+Stopstick (the latter I have to redo as I missed the assessment for personal reasons).’

 

The final question provided some insightful feedback with the clear message that visible leadership is crucial to recognising the role of response officers when the retention of officers on response remains a challenge.

 

Reward and recognition for response officers was a crucial topic throughout the discussion with participants vocalising that a small gesture goes a long way. Personal messages to officers, from senior leaders, as well other formal recognition ideas were shared. Wise words spoken by @AC91 who said, ‘A phone call after a great job has a huge impact. Handwritten card. Positive stories on display, daily bulletins, intranets, media. Remind them what they do is critical. They save lives every day, look after vulnerable people every day, arrest criminals every day’.

 

A great idea by @dadwithahat1 who shared a photo of a badge saying, ‘Yup. I created a unit design that wasn’t taken on but every officer on my team or who has been gets a pin badge version of the design. It ties them together now and going forward’. Other ideas which will be considered moving forward include ‘highlight more positive stories internally and externally using media and social media. Introduce bespoke award ceremonies for response policing, e.g response officer of the year etc’ which was shared by @PeteA86.

The message was clear throughout, response officers need to get the recognition they deserve for the role they carry out on a daily basis. @Brick_Cop articulated it perfectly with ‘For me, it’s identity and respect. We all like to belong and we all like to be treated like adults. We get those two things right, we retain people. It’s that simple. Response Cops are proud of what they do. Let’s show them the respect they deserve’.

 

There was much more discussed and some great feedback for consideration, take a look at the question threads on the @WeCops twitter feed if you were unable to join. The tweet which summed the event up nicely came from @kimbrown who said ‘Consistent leadership, who genuinely care about the people behind the collar number. Encourage them, mentor them, recognise their hard work at all hours & as we do here, we should never shy away from putting boots on the ground to do what they do’

 

DCC Carden is extremely grateful to everyonewho provided support on the night and to colleagues who took part in the debate and discussion. It is reassuring to know that the themes highlighted in this report are consistent with new portfolio objectives recently approved at the Local Policing Coordination Committee. The new objectives are as follows:

 

Ensure response policing achieves operational, procedural and policy influence
Champion response officers, their resilience and working practices
Provide peer support to forces regarding response policing
Coordinate National Response activity e.g.National Response Policing Week

The portfolio has established close links with Chief Constable Chris Rowley who has recently started a National Wellbeing Board focussing on building resilience, working with staff associations to alleviate hinderance factors. This board also focusses on improving communication to raise awareness regarding the considerable development of wellbeing opportunities driven by Oscar Kilo under the leadership of Andy Rhodes.

 

Having considered the nature and volume of the responses, DCC Carden is now convinced of the need to introduce a new portfolio structure that will be communicated to all Chief Constables imminently. The involvement of senior representatives from all forces will ensure a consistent commitment to portfolio objectives that will ultimately help and support response policing at a national level.

 





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 #WeCops transcript

 
@WeCops
19 October 2022 21:00
Q1. Have the challenges facing response policing changed in the last 12 months? Pls use the hashtag #WeCops https://t.co/A3HHebJvEW
@ktbg1
19 October 2022 21:00
RT @WeCops: Good evening and welcome to tonight’s #WeCops chat on response policing, with @CumbriaDCC and @Suzymcdonnell2 - Usual rules app…
@ktbg1
19 October 2022 21:00
RT @WeCops: Q1. Have the challenges facing response policing changed in the last 12 months? Pls use the hashtag #WeCops https://t.co/A3HH…
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:00
@justanotherbobbie Decent shift patterns, appropriate staffing levels, strong first line supervisors, appropriate crime allocation policy (it’s one team), priority for uplift. #WeCops
@nw_response_cop
19 October 2022 21:01
@WeCops #wecops - Yes. We continue to take on more and more responsibilities outside of our remit - as a direct result of other agencies lacking staff.
@InquisitivePlod
19 October 2022 21:01
@WeCops In the aftermath of COVID-19 the impact of overstretched MH & NHS has had a massive impact on our ability to respond and in turn the pressures on our response teams #wecops
@nickoli2238
19 October 2022 21:02
@WeCops #wecops I don't think the external challenges have changed, demand has always been intense but with a very young workforce it has become harder to deal with that demand.
@PeteA86
19 October 2022 21:02
@WeCops #wecops they have changed over the past 5 years I'd say, with increase in complexity of crime and overall financial challenges in forces
@Brick_Cop
19 October 2022 21:03
@WeCops Response Policing is sadly broken across the board. The biggest challenge remains retention and also the mission creep of what we deal with. I hope, with reflection from @DameLynneOwens and the SLT we might move away from investigating and responding in The Met. ??????? #WeCops ???? https://t.co/ALigSMmO8n
@nw_response_cop
19 October 2022 21:03
@InquisitivePlod @WeCops Definitely exacerbated by Covid - but it has been an ongoing issue for years. We really are the service of first and last resort. We make it work - which just perpetuates the issue #wecops
@Julie_Brierley1
19 October 2022 21:03
RT @WeCops: Good evening and welcome to tonight’s #WeCops chat on response policing, with @CumbriaDCC and @Suzymcdonnell2 - Usual rules app…
@SInspEllis
19 October 2022 21:03
@WeCops I would say a noticeable increase in the number of incidents that I would expect to fall under the remit of other services, e.g. mental health, but due to lack of available resources, ends up with Police leading the response #WeCops
@dougie_mckinlay
19 October 2022 21:03
@WeCops #wecops continuing reduction in both the number and experience of staff and increasing policing and non policing demand mean that response becomes more and more challenging. So in essence the challenges haven't changed, just became more acute.
@dadwithahat1
19 October 2022 21:03
@WeCops I run alongside them and I don’t think the challenges have changed in terms of themes but what has changed is the balance of those themes, how much time or demand they place of a capacity that hasn’t or has been reduced to address others issues. MH, calls, case files Etc. #WeCops
@nickoli2238
19 October 2022 21:04
@InquisitivePlod @WeCops Fair point, I think that the lack of social care services has a ripple effect on the incidents we have to attend. #wecops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:04
@InquisitivePlod @WeCops #wecops DCC Rachel Bacon is engaged with the Government to discuss this issue
@paz565
19 October 2022 21:04
@WeCops @CumbriaDCC @Suzymcdonnell2 Soz - #WeCops ??????
@grahamwettone
19 October 2022 21:04
@WeCops In regular contact with many response officers - challenges increasing for ERPT covering for other services & with fewer officers as specialist squads increase. Mostly officers with minimal service & the admin for most basic jobs has increased & often duplicated. #wecops
@PeteA86
19 October 2022 21:05
@WeCops #wecops coming out of a pandemic, with op uplift challenges has presented difficult periods. But not all negative, more focus on response policing and it feels more of a priority
@mark74brown
19 October 2022 21:05
@nw_response_cop @WeCops Are they really lacking staff at times that much or is it because they’ve remained in the hybrid WFH model post-Covid and conveniently withdrawn from any frontline activities? Happy to leave response policing to plug gaps and deal with it all #WeCops
@Kaurbethechange
19 October 2022 21:05
@WeCops Yes, but more than 12months maybe longer #wecops ; not sustainable under the current set up.
@grahamwettone
19 October 2022 21:05
RT @WeCops: Good evening and welcome to tonight’s #WeCops chat on response policing, with @CumbriaDCC and @Suzymcdonnell2 - Usual rules app…
@Insp1949Morris
19 October 2022 21:06
@WeCops The rapid recruitment of staff has put pressure on response, burning out tutors and leading to staff who are still learning becoming tutors/supervisors #wecops
@_Danny__S
19 October 2022 21:06
@WeCops Depends on what you mean by challenges. In the last 12 months we are now post lock-downs & not everyone is back to work (all jobs). Strain exists on front line and mirrored in NHS (for example). This has changed Policing, multi-agencies and the public (inc media pressure) #wecops
@InquisitivePlod
19 October 2022 21:06
@nickoli2238 @WeCops I think back to when I joined in 2003, the main CAD type in the city was Theft-Shops. Now we may not see 1 a day but the filter is full of Concern for Safety & Mispers #wecops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:06
@nw_response_cop @WeCops #wecops as above DCC Rachel Bacon the NPCC lead for MH is dicussing this demand with Government
@kerrimonaghan1
19 October 2022 21:07
@WeCops I think it’s a real challenge for the influx of young inexperienced people to have the emotional intelligence to deal with complex situations. #wecops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:07
@Brick_Cop @WeCops @DameLynneOwens @WecopsCaroline There are challenges, but with decent shifts, response as a priority for uplift, appropriate crime allocation policy, strong leadership and the correct equipment things will improve #WeCops
@MarkyDeeTee
19 October 2022 21:08
@WeCops To the best of my knowledge from speaking to former colleagues; its got worse! MH calls & dealing with juvenile offenders has led to a babysitting service with zero support & the calls keep building up! The size of the beats they cover are vast & resource levels are not #WeCops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:08
@nickoli2238 @WeCops #wecops absolutely and our dedicated experience response officers need to be recognised as part of Response Policing #LeadershipMatters
@SInspEllis
19 October 2022 21:08
@Brick_Cop @WeCops @DameLynneOwens @WecopsCaroline I’d agree with that - response policing is often seen as the ‘start’ of someone’s career, but think it’s often missed how important it is to have experienced officers in a response team! #WeCops
@Police_Tebb
19 October 2022 21:08
@WeCops Covid rebound, and a generation starting to go out to nightclubs and not knowing how to deal. Also the lack of faith and trust in the police and government that have caused a serious distrust in what we do.... #WeCops
@InquisitivePlod
19 October 2022 21:08
@Suzymcdonnell2 @WeCops There’s no quick fix unfortunately. As we all know there’s no money to throw at services and Article 2 is at the heart of everything we do, as it should be #wecops
@nickoli2238
19 October 2022 21:08
@Insp1949Morris @WeCops When I joined my tutor had 10 years experience, as did their tutor, now you are looking at 2-3 years. Nothing against this but a lot of policing experience has been lost. #wecops
@WeCops
19 October 2022 21:08
#wecops https://twitter.com/thrubeingcool2/status/1582825169789198336
@nw_response_cop
19 October 2022 21:09
@mark74brown @WeCops I don't really know the answer. Certainly in my force area - the lack of MH facilities can lead to extensive waits and increased demand on our staff. But it's always been the way. And without some serious drum banging - it will continue. #wecops
@PeteA86
19 October 2022 21:09
@WeCops #wecops response can be one the most challenging roles in Policing. Modern policing is rapidly changing and you also have to look where we will be in 5 years time
@NorthernKrav
19 October 2022 21:09
@WeCops Seen quite a dramatic shift from having some opportunities to undertake proactive policing to being nearly wholly response based #wecops
@WeCops
19 October 2022 21:09
@Thrubeingcool2 Don’t forget the #wecops ??
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:09
@MEE_3E @WeCops #wecops chiefs are pushing back and challenging the government of the responsibilities of other agencies. The right care right person.
@Darren2479
19 October 2022 21:09
@WeCops Response cops are more vulnerable to Post Incident Procedures since 2020. How are they getting supported in the PIP process #wecops
@Insp1949Morris
19 October 2022 21:09
@WeCops The main challenge is less officers and the same or more calls just adding to the stress officers face when going to jobs #wecops
@PropperCop
19 October 2022 21:09
@WeCops I feel like some of the trust from the public has gone since covid. Couple that with extra pressures on social care that seem to always be left to Policing to pick up the slack, I do think there's more pressure now than 12 months ago. #WeCops
@IslamicChaplain
19 October 2022 21:10
Certain aspects of response haven't changed e.g. the number of non-police jobs attended e.g. mental health. What's changed considerably is the experience level at both the officer and immediate supervision levels. #WeCops
@Its_Just_Darren
19 October 2022 21:10
@WeCops Not in the past 12 months, other than demand has increased yet staffing has decreased. However over the years the challenges have changed hugely to the point response is nothing like what is was when I joined #WeCops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:10
@MEE_3E @WeCops #wecops All Chiefs are pushing back with the government to ensure the right person right response
@RacinSam
19 October 2022 21:10
@WeCops Over the past year, yes it's changed with a drop in morale. Past four years has been a dramatic change, in terms of ever decling morale. Lack of support & never ending mission creep are the two biggest contributors #WeCops
@davidpenney86
19 October 2022 21:10
@WeCops New cops joining that because of Covid havnt experienced a busy Friday/ Saturday night. Type of jobs continue to get more complex and demanding! Response Cops are heroes #WeCops
@Graham_Goulden
19 October 2022 21:10
@WeCops Demand is massive. Exposure to primary and secondary trauma is clear. What are forces doing to address this. Compassion fatigue is a reality #wecops
@nickoli2238
19 October 2022 21:10
@Suzymcdonnell2 @WeCops I think there is a lot to be said for that recognition. In a lot of places response is seen as a punishment, we should make it a specialism. #wecops
@Insp1949Morris
19 October 2022 21:11
@WeCops Student officers are going on attachments for up to 6 months which is skewing figures on response sections #wecops
@MarkyDeeTee
19 October 2022 21:11
@CumbriaDCC @Brick_Cop @WeCops @DameLynneOwens @WecopsCaroline When you say decent shifts, do you mean shift patterns sir? That's a whole other issue #WeCops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:11
@PeteA86 @WeCops #wecops This is the priority for DCC Carden and the strand leads your views and feedback will shape the priorities for the future focus.
@BriW74
19 October 2022 21:12
@WeCops Covering the gaps in other services and the failures of other agencies. From mental health to care homes. While still expected to investigate caseloads #wecops
@kerrimonaghan1
19 October 2022 21:12
@Suptvision25 @WeCops #wecops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:12
@Darren2479 @WeCops #wecops Nationally there has been an uplift of PIP trained officers across England & Wales Policing. Fully supported by PolFed and Staff associations, you will have a force lead for PIM / PIP.
@Insp1949Morris
19 October 2022 21:13
@WeCops Experience counts for alot in this job too #wecops
@WecopsCaroline
19 October 2022 21:13
@Brick_Cop @WeCops Love this! Thanks mate ?? #WeCops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:13
@nickoli2238 @Insp1949Morris @WeCops This is a theme. There are challenges and opportunities we need to invest in training and support from more experienced colleagues in other departments. #WeCops
@nickoli2238
19 October 2022 21:13
RT @WeCops: Q1. Have the challenges facing response policing changed in the last 12 months? Pls use the hashtag #WeCops https://t.co/A3HH…
@Its_Just_Darren
19 October 2022 21:14
@CumbriaDCC @WecopsCaroline @Brick_Cop @WeCops @DameLynneOwens The trouble is very few of us trust that any of the above will happen. We have spent years being told things will get better, just for the exact opposite to happen #WeCops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:14
@InquisitivePlod @WeCops Agreed-This is a theme and is the focal point of right care, right person and recent challenges by Chief Constables across the Country #WeCops
@WecopsCaroline
19 October 2022 21:14
Headed in for Refs just in time for some @WeCops ?? #WeCops #responsepolicing
@InquisitivePlod
19 October 2022 21:14
@nickoli2238 @Suzymcdonnell2 @WeCops Response in the corner stone of policing and imho the most difficult, challenging and also the most important role. #wecops
@PeteA86
19 October 2022 21:14
@WeCops #wecops response is the core foundation of Policing. Regardless of the challenges, those on front line always deliver the best possible service and get results.
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:14
@MarkyDeeTee @CumbriaDCC @Brick_Cop @WeCops @DameLynneOwens @WecopsCaroline #wecops All forces have to balance the shift patterns according to force STRA and demographic, lots of work by #OSSR and @Sophiebostock with @OscarKiloUK
@_the_blue_line_
19 October 2022 21:15
RT @WeCops: Q1. Have the challenges facing response policing changed in the last 12 months? Pls use the hashtag #WeCops https://t.co/A3HH…
@BriW74
19 October 2022 21:15
@WeCops There doesn't seem any desire among senior management to take the pressure off response officers. I see no imagination or initiative at all #wecops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:16
@MEE_3E @Brick_Cop @WeCops @DameLynneOwens @WecopsCaroline #wecops So true ! DCC Carden and strand leads are focusing on Response Policing becoming a Specialism.
@kerrimonaghan1
19 October 2022 21:16
@MEE_3E @Brick_Cop @WeCops @DameLynneOwens @WecopsCaroline I think response is underrated and those cops are absolutely specialists. Dealing with whatever is in front of them and then moving on the the next completely different incident like it’s the first one they’ve been to. #wecops #Heroes
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:17
@Graham_Goulden @WeCops Investments in OHU, working closely with @OscarKiloUK Mental Health trained officers, effective debriefs, TRIM assessments, supervisors and colleagues trained to identify repeat trauma #WeCops
@Kaurbethechange
19 October 2022 21:18
@WeCops When officers barely spend time on response and are quick to get promoted and/or move elsewhere results in the issues we face in terms of sustainability , standards & consistency we must create a solid foundation. Rotation schemes so early on in their careers damaged FLP #wecops
@nw_response_cop
19 October 2022 21:18
@CumbriaDCC @nickoli2238 @Insp1949Morris @WeCops A lack of professional development for those who really want it, within the response strand is quite lacking at the moment too. #wecops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:18
@Thrubeingcool2 @WeCops #wecops DCC Rachel Bacon the NPCC lead for MH is in active discussion with the Government to address the MH policing concerns, right person right service
@mark74brown
19 October 2022 21:18
@InquisitivePlod @nw_response_cop @WeCops That’s a good eg of how things can be…I wouldn’t say it’s a lazy or don’t care attitude & leave it to the cops situation but as you say anxiety/lack of experience in dealing due to/or agency policy etc…but that’s a knock on effect within a knock on effect perhaps? #WeCops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:18
First to attend and often the most new in service. Do a great job #wecops https://t.co/YTxIingjKs
@IslamicChaplain
19 October 2022 21:18
I've asked response officers "how many jobs are on your screen" over the last 10 years 10 years: an average of 15 1 year: an average of 35 Now: I don't ask as it isn't good for their well-being to dwell on the workload officers are juggling (but the figure is higher) #WeCops
@nw_response_cop
19 October 2022 21:19
For a police area of 60.35sq miles (15miles long and 7miles wide) and a popn of 312,293 - we have 8 cops on nights. Therein lies the big issue #WeCops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:19
@dadwithahat1 @WeCops #wecops DCC Carden and the strand leads are keen for the feedback and look at the priorities and focus for the next 12 months, MH is being lead by NPCC lead Rachel Bacon with Gov.
@InquisitivePlod
19 October 2022 21:19
@nw_response_cop @CumbriaDCC @nickoli2238 @Insp1949Morris @WeCops Partly down to the inability (or unwillingness) of SMT’s to release response officers for anything other than mandatory CPD #wecops
@WeCops
19 October 2022 21:20
Q2. How can we recognise the role of a response officer as a specialism? Don’t forget to pls use the hashtag in ALL responses! #WeCops https://t.co/xN1LPBmhrb
@TVPAmyClem
19 October 2022 21:20
@WeCops Demand has increased, numbers on shift are down (largely due to abstractions because of training for new entrants), other services creaking & demand coming to policing, plus v high % of young in service. #wecops
@ACQ91
19 October 2022 21:20
@WeCops #WeCops Tutors, Sgts & Insp less experienced than historically. Frequent changes so less understanding of team. Incident types, mission creep, increased workload all been increasing for years. What hasn’t changed is they go to work to do their best & need our support.
@Its_Just_Darren
19 October 2022 21:20
@CumbriaDCC @Graham_Goulden @WeCops @OscarKiloUK Sir, very little of this is seen by Response officers though. Not aware of any MH officers on team, they all work Mon-Fri 9-5, debriefs don't happen as no time to get team together due to demand. As a supervisor I have had no training as described above #WeCops
@Kaurbethechange
19 October 2022 21:21
@CumbriaDCC @Brick_Cop @WeCops @DameLynneOwens @WecopsCaroline Sir, strong leadership is necessary as is time on FLP to create a strong foundation in what is core Policing. Fast time recruitment; selling the dream ( not all), rotations and different entry routes has caused chaos resulting in instability #wecops
@kerrimonaghan1
19 October 2022 21:21
@MEE_3E @Brick_Cop @WeCops @DameLynneOwens @WecopsCaroline Make sure those officers know they are valued. It often feels like you are at the bottom of the food chain. #wecops
@Insp1949Morris
19 October 2022 21:21
@CumbriaDCC @nickoli2238 @WeCops CPD and training time is a big thing for me. Should be written into shift patterns both legislative and skill training. Dedicated R&R trainers to deliver #wecops
@ACQ91
19 October 2022 21:21
@Darren2479 @WeCops Great point. Lots of training to share experience of firearms cops with response officers so PIM is not scary or unknown. Reduces the fear of it & increases understanding & feeling of support. #WeCops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:21
@WeCops #wecops Detectives take the NIE and go onto do PIP 2 & 3 - could Response officers do something similar - your views ?
@dadwithahat1
19 October 2022 21:22
@Suzymcdonnell2 @WeCops It’s a shame as I’m not sure a lot of it is within our control as it’s dictated by external agencies capacity, capability and willingness…. #WeCops
@PeteA86
19 October 2022 21:22
@WeCops #wecops highlight response more, internally and externally. Focus on culture changes, i.e not putting people back on response as a "punishment"
@AnotherPCDAPC
19 October 2022 21:22
@WeCops Staff it accordingly. Incentive to stay. Make courses, esp driving, available to those that want it. Taser. Response right now is swamped with new officers from the uplift with no one to tutor them. #wecops
@_Danny__S
19 October 2022 21:23
@WeCops By treating the role as a specialist one and not a dumping ground. They are the 1st people on scene to the most horrific incidents and yet when they walk away the ‘specialists’ turn up and tend to get the praise the most. We all started there and some never leave #Wecops
@PeteA86
19 October 2022 21:23
@Suzymcdonnell2 @WeCops #wecops I think there is something about consolidating response policing with a qualification, nationally recognised to show the skills obtained
@InquisitivePlod
19 October 2022 21:24
@WeCops In general more investment is needed, response are often last to receive new kit, technology, vehicles, even stationary! If the working environment is improved, morale improves, perceived status & standards improves #wecops
@davidpenney86
19 October 2022 21:24
@WeCops 1. Regular CPD recognising it’s a specialism. 2. Give officers the tools they need to do the job effectively and professionally eg cars and kit. 3. Proper reward and recognition. 4. Consider some benefit to help retention. 5. Don’t move people there as a punishment. #WeCops
@PCsoutherner99
19 October 2022 21:24
@WeCops The rush to get away from response leading to lack of experience meaning not much time spent in any rank on response #wecops
@Comication1
19 October 2022 21:24
RT @WeCops: Q1. Have the challenges facing response policing changed in the last 12 months? Pls use the hashtag #WeCops https://t.co/A3HH…
@Insp1949Morris
19 October 2022 21:24
@WeCops If we wish to priorities response then we must Stop using response officers to backfill other strands roles. #wecops
@Brick_Cop
19 October 2022 21:24
@WeCops I don’t think it is a Specialism. I think we’re experts across the spectrum of Policing. Specialist units call us out whenever they come across anything that’s not their expertise because they become deskilled as frontline Cops. I’m always proud of our knowledge base. #WeCops https://t.co/et8at2w1gF
@grahamwettone
19 October 2022 21:25
@WeCops Stop stripping resources - treat it as a specialism rather than first place to go for any resources to go elsewhere. Focus on retention & increase resources on response, retain experience & provide support to response when short. DOUBLE CREW! 1st priority are 999 calls. #wecops
@nickoli2238
19 October 2022 21:25
@WeCops #wecops the immediate one people think of is money, but we are a public service, value for money is key. So I think recognising the importance response plays, showcasing their work and a change of culture / respect from other departments. Communication and understanding is key.
@dadwithahat1
19 October 2022 21:25
@WeCops The right kit. The right training. Reward for staying. When I started it meant something to be a senior PC. You got to drive the 6-0 car. Wert left to be a bit more pro-active. Trained to TPAc etc. Now there is no benefit to service / commitment. 1/ #WeCops
@InquisitivePlod
19 October 2022 21:25
@Suzymcdonnell2 @WeCops Potentially, however with DHEP & the other degree programmes need to be careful of burn out #wecops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:25
@AnotherPCDAPC @WeCops #wecops Response has new officers and investment in transport and vehicles is a tough one, There has been a Taser uplift across the country, with the addition of Taser Subject matter experts in every force, it is an invaluable asset to all forces and S Constable can trained too
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:25
@AnotherPCDAPC @WeCops Investment in tutor units required, dedicated training and CPD for tutors with a shift pattern that considers wellbeing. All of these things and more, introduced in Cumbria in the last few months. #WeCops
@ACQ91
19 October 2022 21:25
@WeCops Protect it as a role inc numbers. Prioritise response first, then other roles afterwards. Put the best leaders in response posts. Continue working with partners to take their own responsibility 24 hrs! #WeCops 1/2
@nw_response_cop
19 October 2022 21:25
#wecops - by the very nature of the role - we can't be treated as a specialism - but staff really do need better treatment across the board. Other deps need to work to faciliate response, it shouldn't be response bending over backwards
@ResponsePolice1
19 October 2022 21:25
@WeCops Gutted I’m missing this!! Just about to take handover! #thinblueline #wecops #nightduty
@nickoli2238
19 October 2022 21:25
@InquisitivePlod @WeCops See I haven't found that where I am. They tend to get the best kit first. #wecops
@kerrimonaghan1
19 October 2022 21:25
@WeCops Recognise the hard work they do, give them the courses they ask for (reasonably), make sure they have the right kit to do their jobs, decent cars, etc. Dont underestimate the moral boost having a “boss” come and work on the shop floor and see things for themselves #wecops
@dadwithahat1
19 October 2022 21:26
@WeCops 2/ Also seen as the place to take staff from for any other post to fill or to push back work to. It’s yours until you can prove it’s someone else’s. #WeCops
@IslamicChaplain
19 October 2022 21:26
@Suzymcdonnell2 @WeCops With the number of complex investigations that response officers do, it is logical that NIE /PIP 2 & 3 opportunities are afforded to those response officers who want it. #WeCops
@Police_Tebb
19 October 2022 21:26
@WeCops Offer courses and progressions, reasons to stick around! And don't stick them with constant cell or scene watches, and recognise what they are being given to deal with and the variety of their day to days! #WeCops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:26
@PeteA86 @WeCops #wecops Do you think that could be a work based evidence portfolio, similar Sgt or Insp promotion, maybe level 3 or 4 certificates ?
@PeteA86
19 October 2022 21:27
@WeCops #wecops too often officers are quick to leave response for another dept. PSNI Start officers on NPT, then they earn the right to go on response to get driving, tazer skills etc.
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:27
@Brick_Cop @WeCops @WecopsCaroline Fair comments, we have a visibility rota to make sure we don’t disconnect from the front line. A few briefings and a shift every month. No fanfare. #wecops
@nickoli2238
19 October 2022 21:27
@Suzymcdonnell2 @WeCops I remember there was talk of a licence, PCDA while not always the most favoured topic of conversation does bring evidence based decision skills with it. I think some form of response "qualification" but not exam based it could be based on #pdrs and performance over time. #wecops
@nw_response_cop
19 October 2022 21:27
@kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops Retention, Recognition, Respect and many other R words! #wecops - Reward!
@Insp1949Morris
19 October 2022 21:27
@WeCops Apply to have Response a 'hard to fill' role. This would help attract experience and skilled officers back to the blocks #wecops
@InquisitivePlod
19 October 2022 21:27
@PeteA86 @WeCops Classic term heard in CID depts “going back to response”!! Why is it always seen as a retrograde step? #wecops
@jack_stabler
19 October 2022 21:27
@WeCops All new officers to start their probation on a community team so they can invest time on investigations and development. After two years, apply to become a response officer. Once on response, gain skills such as driving, taser ect #WeCops
@NWPDOI
19 October 2022 21:28
@WeCops Inc support to health. V difficult to step away from such incidents when no alternative. File build/redactions. Abstractions due to uni time. Inc numbers to compensate but officers are not feeling that. However, continue to be professional and do the best job they can #wecops
@SInspEllis
19 October 2022 21:28
@WeCops Having a defined pathway in terms of development/courses, so people know they will be invested in and that they would be supported. Culture change so Response aren’t seen as the “catch all” for any jobs that come in - easier said than done! #WeCops
@Insp1949Morris
19 October 2022 21:28
@WeCops Additional specialist training like MOE, pursuit, 4x4 vehicle training. Courses are few and far between #wecops
@grahamwettone
19 October 2022 21:28
#wecops timely comment. ?? https://twitter.com/CycleSgt/status/1582817607446499328
@BriW74
19 October 2022 21:28
@WeCops Make it something to aspire to and want to continue doing as opposed to something to get out of at the earliest opportunity #wecops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:29
@Brick_Cop @WeCops @WecopsCaroline #wecops absolutely and they should be recognised for the work they are already doing - and work based recording for a qualification would be beneficial
@nw_response_cop
19 October 2022 21:29
@Insp1949Morris @WeCops Boss - the issue is historically response has always been seen as a punishment - when it really should be badge of honour #wecops
@mark74brown
19 October 2022 21:29
@WeCops Promote a higher status for the role…provision of skills (driving), equipment (taser etc), adequate training that’s got respective niche’s based on demand (MH & DV for eg)…areas like CID, ARV & SB etc have a status that receives more in this way…response should too #WeCops
@ACQ91
19 October 2022 21:29
@WeCops Tell them how important they are. They deal with everything with no warning & no planning. That’s what makes them specialists… in responding. Look after them. CPD. Leaders - be visible. Talk to them. Have a brew with them. #Wecops 2/2
@dadwithahat1
19 October 2022 21:29
@Suzymcdonnell2 @PeteA86 @WeCops I think last thing PC’s want is to gather more evidence that they can do their job. Most young officers I know want courses, nice coats and more money. Not another ‘burden’ to find time to do when they have no time. #WeCops
@WeCops
19 October 2022 21:29
@CycleSgt @_Danny__S #wecops
@PeteA86
19 October 2022 21:29
@Suzymcdonnell2 @WeCops #wecops there could be something in that, but I would query whether it is achievable given the already significant academical challenges of new officers. Perhaps the CoP could tie this in with a nationally recognised qualification
@Its_Just_Darren
19 October 2022 21:30
@WeCops I don't see it as a specialism, because the the end of the day we do it all #WeCops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:30
@InquisitivePlod @WeCops There are definite differences across the Country. That’s not the case in @Cumbriapolice #wecops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:30
@Insp1949Morris @WeCops Totally agree-Response is the priority in my force at this time. Resourcing other departments first is a fool's paradise as will lead to backfilling response when short. #WeCops
@KatieMagnet
19 October 2022 21:30
Interesting #wecops https://twitter.com/Brick_Cop/status/1582830136944386048
@Its_Just_Darren
19 October 2022 21:31
@WeCops If you want to recognise Response, you need to stop making it the dumping ground of policing #WeCops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:31
@dadwithahat1 @WeCops #wecops Response Policing is the main focus for all chiefs at the moment, ensuring the frontline quality is provided - it is a difficult balancing act
@MarkyDeeTee
19 October 2022 21:31
@Suzymcdonnell2 @CumbriaDCC @Brick_Cop @WeCops @DameLynneOwens @WecopsCaroline @OscarKiloUK Policing is a 24hr business, we know that, but in the last decade, its been guilty of having shift patterns designed by people who don't work shifts! The shift pattern is not the issue; the issue is the lack of consistent rest days; its always messed with, thats damaging #WeCops
@ACQ91
19 October 2022 21:31
@Suzymcdonnell2 @WeCops I worked on an accreditation programme 5 yrs ago. College wouldn’t do there because they were focused on getting the increment assessments in place. Response policing in itself could easily convert to a qualification. #WeCops
@PC_RichieT
19 October 2022 21:31
@WeCops New cops have low training by new cops. Retention is worse & Response are run ragged by other agencies failing #WeCops
@Graham_Goulden
19 October 2022 21:31
@CycleSgt @CumbriaDCC @WeCops @OscarKiloUK I would agree. Surely every officer would benefit from some form of peer intervention training. If I’m not looking out for you who’s looking out for me. Poor mental health leads to mistakes as well as misconduct. #wecops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:31
@ACQ91 @WeCops Andrea spot on as ever. Response is more often than not the gateway to the rest of the police service. #WeCops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:32
@Chrismgibs @PeteA86 @WeCops #wecops Do you think a work based recording qualification would work?
@DelphiEllis
19 October 2022 21:32
@mark74brown @WeCops I think there is a Response Well-being Week, which when I asked response cops they either didn’t know or had the time to attend “activities” - so who was it for if not to tick a box? Raising the profile starts with SLTs having the vaguest idea what they need and do, no? #WeCops
@wig_m
19 October 2022 21:32
@Insp1949Morris @WeCops Some forces including Merseyside are now going to use other strands including local policing to tutor new officers to reduce impact on response #wecops
@aquacat2
19 October 2022 21:32
@WeCops With the cuts specialisms within response were stripped down, these encouraged people to stay and give them something to strive towards. These should come back alongside CPD and reward and recognition. Whilst staffing and money would be nice it's a universal police issue #WeCops
@nickoli2238
19 October 2022 21:32
@Insp1949Morris @CumbriaDCC @WeCops In the new response pattern @Cumbriapolice the response cops get a full days training numerous times a year. We just need to make sure that time is wisely used! #wecops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:32
Excellent points David #WeCops https://twitter.com/davidpenney86/status/1582830031038197761
@Jon_Sherlock
19 October 2022 21:33
@pauldewick @WeCops #WeCops I think that’s a cracking idea, it’s regularly done with high performing sports teams, gives that sense of belonging & pride
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:33
@PeteA86 @WeCops #wecops Great suggestion i will ensure @CumbriaDCC notes this
@SInspEllis
19 October 2022 21:33
@ACQ91 @WeCops Visible leadership is massively underrated, and it doesn’t need to be anything extravagant - a brew, a chat, showing genuine interest in your team at an individual level goes a long way. #WeCops
@nickoli2238
19 October 2022 21:33
@ACQ91 @WeCops Morale is a huge thing, it’s amazing how quickly it can be changed, while we have to deliver a service 365 it’s important to manage expectations and let them know in advance when there will be leave bans etc. #wecops
@dadwithahat1
19 October 2022 21:34
@Suzymcdonnell2 @WeCops It is absolutely like us chiefs have been given 2,000,000 priorities at once. For me though the most important thing is when someone dials 999 we arrive asap sideways with lights going. Do more of that and I think other issue will also start to fix #WeCops
@Insp1949Morris
19 October 2022 21:34
@nw_response_cop @WeCops We're doing the most difficult job in the most dangerous conditions #wecops
@ACQ91
19 October 2022 21:34
@jack_stabler @WeCops Sadly my experience is that they become too comfortable and then refuse to join response after, refuse to work nights, refuse to respond etc etc. But I like the idea of then offering additional skills like driving/taser etc. ??? #WeCops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:34
@jack_stabler @WeCops Interesting thinking, but not practical given the uplift numbers and demand at this time #wecops
@Its_Just_Darren
19 October 2022 21:34
@Graham_Goulden @CumbriaDCC @WeCops @OscarKiloUK Response is very good at looking out for each other because we're the only ones that will. It's common for a colleagues to approach each other and mention that they are worried about another collegue #WeCops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:34
@davidpenney86 @WeCops #wecops @CumbriaDCC great list of feedback
@mark74brown
19 October 2022 21:34
@DelphiEllis @WeCops Fair point in terms of well-being here & looking after those in response due to the nature of the role i.e almost always first responders to some of the most horrendous incidents + sheer volume of demand on shifts…it can take its toll more than other policing #WeCops
@RegBC
19 October 2022 21:35
Exactly this #wecops https://twitter.com/jack_stabler/status/1582830930905165824
@PC_RichieT
19 October 2022 21:35
@WeCops Kit. Training. Recognition. Retention. Utter basics and core of policing #WeCops
@DFHEK90S
19 October 2022 21:35
@WeCops #WeCops as society has emerged into the post pandemic world, it feels like every service other than us, has not. The age old issues of backfilling social work, the ambulance service and MH services are simply getting worse. Combined with a more inexperienced workforce ourselves.
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:35
RT @nickoli2238: @WeCops #wecops the immediate one people think of is money, but we are a public service, value for money is key. So I thin…
@Insp1949Morris
19 October 2022 21:35
@wig_m @WeCops The issue there is that students arrive at final posting having not completed basic response jobs and we almost have to start over #wecops
@remmy_308
19 October 2022 21:35
@WeCops Sorry #WeCops
@_the_blue_line_
19 October 2022 21:35
@WeCops By investing in them, currently a huge lack of CPD, training days etc. it’s important to value staff, especially those on the frontline being the initial officer at the scene #wecops
@nw_response_cop
19 October 2022 21:35
@Insp1949Morris @WeCops #wecops LSE study shows that double crewing increases detection rates by 44% - as well as being much safer! Apparently for every £1 spent sees a £2.75 return...
@PC_RichieT
19 October 2022 21:36
@kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops Too many Inspectors hiding in their office - LEAD YOUR TEAM #WeCops
@Kaurbethechange
19 October 2022 21:36
@jack_stabler @WeCops Nooooo?? apply for response that will not happen. Response first then specialism #wecops
@TheBigHon
19 October 2022 21:36
@PC_RichieT @WeCops There was one force that actually made it a specialism and Neighbourhoods was where all new officers started... Can't remember if that worked... #WeCops
@kerrimonaghan1
19 October 2022 21:36
@PC_RichieT @WeCops And Sgts!!! #wecops
@Its_Just_Darren
19 October 2022 21:36
@Suzymcdonnell2 @dadwithahat1 @WeCops Ma'am you say Response policing is the main focus of chiefs at the moment, yet it doesn't feel like that and how can it when we are having more and more staff taken to create new little squads for this and that, leaving us even shorter #WeCops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:36
@AnotherBobbie @WeCops #wecops day to day resources are a difficult balancing act for team sgts and inspectors - good leadership and teamworking are essential
@nickoli2238
19 October 2022 21:36
@WeCops Local federations can offer recognition, this could be a helpful way to recognise and reward without spending public money. #wecops
@TheBigHon
19 October 2022 21:37
RT @Suzymcdonnell2: @dadwithahat1 @WeCops #wecops Response Policing is the main focus for all chiefs at the moment, ensuring the frontline…
@IPA_BTPBranch
19 October 2022 21:37
@Brick_Cop @WeCops @WecopsCaroline I would argue it is specialist role, in golden hour policing. If you need something done NOW then response should have the skills and knowledge to get it done properly. And in such a manner that other units can then effectively undertake their roles from that point on. #WeCops
@DelphiEllis
19 October 2022 21:37
@mark74brown @WeCops I’ve said it before but compassion fatigue is a thing. I know cops who wouldn’t go near a TRIM assessment if you paid them, won’t go to OH for fear of being restricted and are literally told not to call the EAP. If the SLT don’t support these systems, no one wins #WeCops
@TheBigHon
19 October 2022 21:37
@CycleSgt @Suzymcdonnell2 @dadwithahat1 @WeCops And how can it be if "going back on response" is seen as a punishment... #WeCops
@Murphy25Brian
19 October 2022 21:38
@WeCops When I joined we had specialists in response. One team made up of officers who were experts in traffic, drugs, sexual offences, etc. They weren't taken off response into a specialist department and it gave us a great team who could deal with anything 24/7. #wecops
@remmy_308
19 October 2022 21:38
@WeCops You only need to compare the quality of training and the contact time committed to each officer with other areas, such as firearms to see why its so important. Yet response are often first at scene for some of the most demanding incidents. #wecops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:38
@PC_RichieT @WeCops Agreed-Not always as easy as it sounds, but so much more can be done. #WeCops
@PCsoutherner99
19 October 2022 21:38
@WeCops Making it worth staying by at the very least making sure there’s minimum numbers (not fudging the figures) focusing on keeping the good officers rather than just dumping everyone when they join #wecops
@PC_RichieT
19 October 2022 21:38
@kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops A Sgt that hides is the worst. Most I know sit with their team which speaks volumes #WeCops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:38
@launa_atalaw @WeCops #wecops @OscarKiloUK https://www.oscarkilo.org.uk/services/wellbeing-at-work/operation-hampshire
@Kaurbethechange
19 October 2022 21:38
@ACQ91 @jack_stabler @WeCops Agree… ??. Response must be the starting point, but part of this must be a tenure; no rotations if we are to create a solid foundation; improve culture and much more. Im not one for the olden days, but one thing is for sure we had solid teams. BCU model is not working #wecops
@Thrubeingcool2
19 October 2022 21:39
@WeCops #WeCops It's the most important part of Policing , but sadly treated in a very shoddy way. A good response officer is worth their weight in gold. They deal with a multitude of issues. It needs to start from the top on this one. Make people feel appreciated. Plus good courses
@Its_Just_Darren
19 October 2022 21:39
@Suzymcdonnell2 @PeteA86 @WeCops All this would do is create yet more paperwork for them when they already struggle to find the time to do the paperwork they already have. Just like the Sgt's they would end up having to do it at home #WeCops
@WeCops
19 October 2022 21:40
Q3. How can we champion response officers? What do you do in your force or work place? #WeCops https://t.co/JuECCYPKRy
@TheBigHon
19 October 2022 21:40
RT @Thrubeingcool2: @WeCops #WeCops It's the most important part of Policing , but sadly treated in a very shoddy way. A good response off…
@nickoli2238
19 October 2022 21:40
RT @WeCops: Q3. How can we champion response officers? What do you do in your force or work place? #WeCops https://t.co/JuECCYPKRy
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:40
@ACQ91 @Darren2479 @WeCops #wecops it is part of the PCDA AND PEQF training but also part of CPD with a national PIM week every year too
@ACQ91
19 October 2022 21:40
@Suptvision25 @MEE_3E @WeCops They can usually resolve many blockers within themselves if given the opportunity & responsibility, but if not a quick chat with a brew can often reach an easy resolution. They also have the best ideas if we listen to them & treat them as the professionals they are. #WeCops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:40
RT @WeCops: Q3. How can we champion response officers? What do you do in your force or work place? #WeCops https://t.co/JuECCYPKRy
@PC_RichieT
19 October 2022 21:40
@CumbriaDCC @WeCops It starts from Day 1 Sir. Correct kit & training will provide Recognition for good work and this leads to Retention. Best part is most of this is free - we have the equipment, people and leaders - it’s just implementing it with the culture #WeCops
@kerrimonaghan1
19 October 2022 21:41
RT @WeCops: Q3. How can we champion response officers? What do you do in your force or work place? #WeCops https://t.co/JuECCYPKRy
@DelphiEllis
19 October 2022 21:41
@Chrismgibs @mark74brown @WeCops See below: #WeCops I literally know cops told to stay away from the employee assistance programme. I’ve known sergeants say to response cops “You don’t *really* want me to do the paperwork for TRIM, do you?” after an incident. This is happening. #WeCops https://twitter.com/delphiellis/status/1582833357939150848
@nw_response_cop
19 October 2022 21:41
@WeCops #wecops - the million dollar question! How do me make it more attractive for people to come to and stay - it needs to not be the afterthought for the job... Access to quality CPD, courses and MUCH better equipment!
@PeteA86
19 October 2022 21:41
@WeCops #wecops streamline local recognition processes. Too often it takes several months to formally award a good piece of work. By that time, it can lose its impact.
@kerrimonaghan1
19 October 2022 21:41
RT @WeCops: Q3. How can we champion response officers? What do you do in your force or work place? #WeCops https://t.co/JuECCYPKRy
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:41
@WeCops #wecops for instance in @kent_police we have reward & recognition, and each directorate has bi yearly award ceremonies recognising great work of response
@medwaymakem
19 October 2022 21:41
@WeCops #WeCops In the military for certain qualifications you get an arm patch or badge I believe it’s time response officers were recognised and rewarded with something similar not too big
@MarkyDeeTee
19 October 2022 21:42
@WeCops It's not a specialist role, it's the most demanding. I'd suggest forces invest in response & the extreme ask that's placed upon those officers. If a chief officer starts saying specialist, it's just empty words, so don't! Actually invest in the front line, support them! #WeCops
@Kaurbethechange
19 October 2022 21:42
@CumbriaDCC @AnotherPCDAPC @WeCops Sir, tutors units would work if there was officers being taught properly in the first place. Who r they learning from 2-3yrs officers? we have Street duties;it’s a churn. The issue is the rotation and tenure on response to build in the importance & basis of core Policing #wecops
@mark74brown
19 October 2022 21:42
@CumbriaDCC @AnotherPCDAPC @WeCops With a mind to the difference in force size, geographical density & demand nuances etc…what works for Cumbria may not necessarily be the case in Camden…adaptability is key if the template & testing is there…perhaps Cumbria is ideal in this context to see ‘what works’ #WeCops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:42
@PeteA86 @WeCops Completely agree- Had the same debate at our workforce board last week. Work is underway to rectify #WeCops
@ACQ91
19 October 2022 21:42
@Suzymcdonnell2 @Darren2479 @WeCops It is still a really scary thing if you’ve never been through it so support is critical when it happens. Just being there, reassuring them in the process, making a drink, etc. #WeCops
@TheBigHon
19 October 2022 21:42
@PC_RichieT @kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops Too many Inspectors dealing with too much paperwork (mostly HR) to get out of the office! (It's the reason I never seriously went for that rank)... #WeCops
@IslamicChaplain
19 October 2022 21:42
@WeCops The perception of response for some officers is it's a stepping stone to a specialism/niche i.e. something to endure as opposed to enjoying. #WeCops
@nickoli2238
19 October 2022 21:43
@WeCops In @Cumbriapolice all officers inspector and above go to at least one briefing a week and do at least one operational shift every 6 weeks. This keeps us in touch but also allows the “van crack” so we can find the really issues and resolve them quickly. #wecops
@InquisitivePlod
19 October 2022 21:43
@WeCops Those of us in leadership positions should give our time and knowledge to supporting and developing. Allow shadowing, attachments with us or go out in ops to build bridges and knowledge #wecops
@PeteA86
19 October 2022 21:43
@WeCops #wecops highlight more positive stories internally and externally using media and social media. Introduce bespoke award ceremonies for response policing, e.g response officer of the year etc
@dadwithahat1
19 October 2022 21:43
@WeCops They do a lot of work internally to champion all officers. Internal media / yammer and externally on social channels I think you can’t champion one role more than any other as they are all vital. What you need to do is make sure each feels valued #WeCops
@ljledder
19 October 2022 21:43
@WeCops Genuine reward and recognition. We have some great bosses who take the time to send personal emails to officers. They are much better than a cut and paste recognition letter and my staff appreciate them. #WeCops
@PC_RichieT
19 October 2022 21:43
@WeCops Recognise success on a force and local level. Have SMT know their teams and be seen (not hiding!). Be proactive if kit or items are needed. Simply telling someone they’ve done a good job or done something special is AMAZING - do it !! (For SMT it’s free fyi….) #WeCops
@nw_response_cop
19 October 2022 21:43
@PC_RichieT @CumbriaDCC @WeCops Standard uniform. Standard vehicles. Standard IT - all makes much more sense - even though it'll be costly to break contracts etc... would change comms between different forces overnight... #WeCops
@Its_Just_Darren
19 October 2022 21:43
@jack_stabler @WeCops The ones that have come to our team after doing SNT first have mostly said they would have learnt a lot more from being on team first #WeCops
@Murphy25Brian
19 October 2022 21:43
@WeCops SLTs need to come out publicly and praise officers and defend those negative social media posts. The vast majority of the public support us. #wecops
@Insp1949Morris
19 October 2022 21:43
@WeCops More effort from Command teams to attend briefings and recognise good work in person. Too often great work goes unnoticed or seen as the norm #wecops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:43
#WeCops https://twitter.com/Suzymcdonnell2/status/1582834654725361664
@SussexInspCC238
19 October 2022 21:44
@WeCops Response is the most important department in terms of managing dynamic risk. It needs champions in every nick, hall and workplace. Good young cops need nurturing and supporting so that we can keep people safe. Public and vocal backing. #wecops
@Kaurbethechange
19 October 2022 21:44
@WeCops All newly promoted officers must leave central units to spend time on FLP to bring back the experience to FLP so we can support and prep the future generation and managers should be trusted to manage without fear of complaints making FLP more of an attractive place #wecops
@modern_copper
19 October 2022 21:44
@WeCops There is hope at the end of the tunnel: the two most toxic, regressive and populist Home Secretaries ever are no longer Home Secretaries! #WeCops
@nickoli2238
19 October 2022 21:44
@WeCops I also think a simple “well done” “thank you” or mention goes a long way. #wecops. I also think upon promotion it would help to put officers back into uniform by default.
@onedetained
19 October 2022 21:44
@WeCops Have response policing at the top of the pyramid - other functions should exist to support the initial response. It should be made up of the most capable officers and supervisors with the best kit. #WeCops
@grahamwettone
19 October 2022 21:44
@WeCops As Q2 - stop dumping on them, treat as a specialism, it's often used as threat - go back to response - hence viewed as bottom of the pile. Champion by focus on them - give them numbers to do their main role - 999 calls. Remove my investigation type policy on response. #wecops
@Insp1949Morris
19 October 2022 21:44
RT @nw_response_cop: @Insp1949Morris @WeCops #wecops LSE study shows that double crewing increases detection rates by 44% - as well as bein…
@dadwithahat1
19 October 2022 21:44
@InquisitivePlod @Suzymcdonnell2 @WeCops @kent_police It’s like work Facebook #WeCops
@kerrimonaghan1
19 October 2022 21:44
@PC_RichieT @WeCops It’s vital. The sgt gets to see their team perform, the team get to learn from them leading from the front. It’s how you earn respect #wecops
@_Danny__S
19 October 2022 21:45
@WeCops Champion = making the role slicker. Better practices, better support, no more IT systems brought in as a ‘good idea’ (someone’s promotion) that they never use but don’t work properly!! Make them want to stay longer than a few years. But support those with ability to move #wecops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:45
@InquisitivePlod @WeCops @kent_police #wecops runs alongside 0365 and Teams
@PC_RichieT
19 October 2022 21:45
@TheBigHon @kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops Do it in the office then with your team…? While I agree to an extent I’ve known some to just hide ?? #WeCops
@davidpenney86
19 October 2022 21:45
@WeCops Lets listen to response officers, and not just give lip service. Bosses get on the ground talk about the issues and deliver what the front line need and want. Not what suits the agenda of the next boss seeking a promotion #Culture #WeCops
@Insp1949Morris
19 October 2022 21:45
@WeCops A process of being informed of court results would increase job satisfaction. #wecops
@nickoli2238
19 October 2022 21:45
@InquisitivePlod @WeCops As a PC I did wonder what the Sgt did and as a Sgt wondered what the inspector did. Really good point so the front line see what leaders do, all cops go out there and lead so if they can learn from their own leaders it can only help. #wecops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:45
@nickoli2238 @WeCops @Cumbriapolice Senior officers can’t lead by email, it is important to make the effort. Understand the issues at first hand #wecops
@PC_RichieT
19 October 2022 21:46
@kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops Well said skip #WeCops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:46
@dadwithahat1 @WeCops #wecops junior leadership CPD coming to a room near you soon ! @kent_police
@modern_copper
19 October 2022 21:46
@WeCops #WeCops, it’s not. It’s a bloody hard job though. Reconsidering shift allowances, and introducing a “senior constable” rank might encourage the talented folk to stick around longer. It’s a generalist role by its very nature.
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:46
@SussexInspCC238 @WeCops #wecops Hi Cheesy
@Kaurbethechange
19 October 2022 21:46
@PeteA86 @WeCops I concur.. due to the lengthy process of reward I ended up securing a frame from LDSS and printed of a certificate to value his commitment and service as a schools officer. It didn’t take long, but the impact is vast so much so he has returned to my team #wecops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:46
@nickoli2238 @WeCops Nick I understand your sentiment, but I would be guarded against creating an 'us and them' mentality against colleagues who also do a fantastic job #WeCops
@stec0n
19 October 2022 21:46
@WeCops #WeCops now left response but my old team mates tell me the new training is crippling response, often seeing 4+ teams going off to study for up to 6 weeks straight. No cover, no extra cops just more demand split before less cops
@Its_Just_Darren
19 October 2022 21:47
@WeCops Provide them with development opportunities. Response officers are actually quite easy to please. All you need to do is make them feel valued by investing in them by way of training opportunities. Even simple little courses such as 'stinger' training gives them a big lift #WeCops
@Brick_Cop
19 October 2022 21:47
@WeCops For me, it’s identity and respect. We all like to belong and we all like to be treated like adults. We get those two things right, we retain people. It’s that simple. Response Cops are proud of what they do. Let’s show them the respect they deserve. #WeCops #EmergencyResponse https://t.co/rY4Yh0scUL
@TheBigHon
19 October 2022 21:47
@grahamwettone @WeCops Agreed, they need the resources, not only to do the job, but also have proper breaks and downtime so they don't burn out. We can only do this once we have not only the numbers up, by experience levels up. This is a Long Term problem. #WeCops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:47
@PeteA86 @WeCops #wecops we use YAMMER in @kent_police runs alongside SharePoint and 0365 & Teams .
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:47
@Murphy25Brian @WeCops Excellent point @Murphy25Brian. Something to think about for senior leaders #wecops
@DelphiEllis
19 October 2022 21:47
@Chrismgibs @mark74brown @WeCops A real concern (for me) is when people at rank don’t know it’s going on. Response Cops are pivotal, and every contact leaves a trace. If they’re knackered/directed on rest days/told to “suck it up” everyone including victims suffer. This is basic psychological safety. #WeCops
@nw_response_cop
19 October 2022 21:47
@modern_copper @WeCops COP interviewed staff about this - probably about 10 years ago?? @CollegeofPolice - dont ever recall is going anywhere. Works in Aus! Or is it just supervision on the cheap with no remuneration? #WeCops
@SussexInspCC238
19 October 2022 21:48
@Suzymcdonnell2 @WeCops If it weren't for @sashinblue I would have missed this ?? #WeCops
@DFHEK90S
19 October 2022 21:48
@WeCops #WeCops Firstly give it the respect within the organisation it deserves. Parity of esteem is a nice start. Then stop treating like the dumping ground for units whose ‘remits’ change depending on how busy they are. That’s a start.
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:48
@Insp1949Morris @WeCops Excellent point Ste- All Inspectors and above must attend at least one response briefing per week and carry out a full tour of duty with response every 6 weeks. This is audited #WeCops
@remmy_308
19 October 2022 21:48
@WeCops Reduce stress by increasing numbers, deliver better training, make sure excellent work is formally recognised in short increase morale and make the role more attractive. If you do that it will champion itself, a happy team always does in my experience. #WeCops
@SInspEllis
19 October 2022 21:48
@WeCops Recognition - our intranet often has articles showcasing the very best of response policing. But can more be done to formally recognise - private sector have such schemes, for example my day job has different recognition levels. Nice morale boost when nominated/recognised #WeCops
@TheBigHon
19 October 2022 21:48
@PC_RichieT @kerrimonaghan1 @WeCops My last team shared an officer, Insp, Sgts, PCs and PCSOs all in the same space... At least we knew WHY our supervisors were stuck there... #WeCops
@kerrimonaghan1
19 October 2022 21:48
@Brick_Cop @WeCops @WecopsCaroline Ooh I love a badge! (It’s why I’m a scout leader!) #wecops
@Jon_Sherlock
19 October 2022 21:48
@WeCops #WeCops Simple solutions too, backfilling from specialist depts to enable response officers to get A/L
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:48
@Kaur2317 @PeteA86 @WeCops #wecops Do you think SLT should have a monthly visit each months like an ALL OUT DAY to present good work merits and meet officers in person, ?
@dadwithahat1
19 October 2022 21:48
@Brick_Cop @WeCops @WecopsCaroline Yup. I created a unit design that wasn’t taken on but every officer on my team or who has been gets a pin badge version of the design. It ties them together now and going forward #WeCops
@ACQ91
19 October 2022 21:48
@Brick_Cop @WeCops @WecopsCaroline Love these?? #WeCops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:48
@Insp1949Morris @WeCops Of course, cradle to grave end to end process #WeCops
@PCmisanthrope
19 October 2022 21:49
@remmy_308 @WeCops I’m a local OST instructor and my superintendent doesn’t like me being abstracted for it. If I don’t go, they can’t run sessions, meaning people aren’t deployable as they are out of license for OST #wecops
@mark74brown
19 October 2022 21:49
@PeteA86 @WeCops Not forgetting response team in that regard…individual awards are great & without doubt hugely deserved for the heroics, altruism & long time dedication etc…but sometimes it’s a general team effort on a consistent basis that needs more recognition #WeCops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:50
@PeteA86 @WeCops Good suggestion Pete will consider that one #WeCops
@TheBigHon
19 October 2022 21:50
#WeCops https://twitter.com/Chrismgibs/status/1582836310183591937
@ACQ91
19 October 2022 21:50
@nickoli2238 @WeCops @Cumbriapolice Great to hear. And yes they soon relax and tell you how it is. ?? #WeCops
@DelphiEllis
19 October 2022 21:50
@remmy_308 @WeCops And, if I may be so bold, “Response Well-being Week” should be 52 weeks of the year. And if they’re going to offer a “well-being van”, make sure it offers more than a piece of fruit and a spork! #WeCops
@SussexInspCC238
19 October 2022 21:50
@WeCops Staff it up with good experienced cops. Listen to what they need to be successful keeping people safe. Let them nurture the new officers. Not listening drive people off response, experience and capability is impacted which leads to people leaving. Invest in the frontline #wecops
@Insp1949Morris
19 October 2022 21:50
@WeCops Increase night shift allowance payment to reflect demands and review shift pattern to make it more attractive and in line with other specialist department. Would create a team ethic working with the same dog patrol for example #WeCops
@Kaurbethechange
19 October 2022 21:51
@CumbriaDCC @nickoli2238 @WeCops @Cumbriapolice Many come in and change things rather than listening ( thanks to the new leadership in the MPS they are listening) with many ( not all) ticking a box for the next rank and it’s so evident. Those that truly care are authentic all the time not just some of the time #wecops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:51
@dadwithahat1 @Brick_Cop @WeCops @WecopsCaroline #wecops fantastic idea for all forces @CumbriaDCC
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:51
@PC_RichieT @WeCops Agreed-previous answers feature visibility rota, no gimmicks. #WeCops
@tacmedcop
19 October 2022 21:52
@WeCops Response policing has become the most bureaucratic I have ever known it. Lots of duplication, lots of form filling, meaning officers are back to spending too much time sat indoors. Some specific to local force, some nationally. < bureaucracy and get cops onto the streets #wecops
@Julie_Brierley1
19 October 2022 21:52
@WeCops Provide sufficient time for mandatory refresher training plus opportunities to upskill. The new curriculum changes are fantastic but the challenge of increasing abstraction to attend training is a risk. #WeCops
@remmy_308
19 October 2022 21:52
@AnotherTweetCop @WeCops I've seen this approach to training far too often, well until training becomes critical and tickets are pulled. #WeCops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:52
@CumbriaDCC @nickoli2238 @WeCops @Cumbriapolice #WECOPS senior leaders working from different and remote stations, seeing officers f2f and All out days where they take the response calls work well too
@Jon_Sherlock
19 October 2022 21:52
@WeCops #WeCops Recognition for achievement, as an Area CI whenever a PC passed a Sgt Board I personally handed over their stripes, could all promotions have some form of recognition ceremony / Senior Officer hand over of the epaulettes achieved?
@KatieMagnet
19 October 2022 21:52
I totally agree but I dont think its the same anymore. I grafted and studied so hard to be a specialist . Mostly in my own time. The division between units is now not just banter its huge skill loss #wecops https://twitter.com/TrumpetDave/status/1582833283876151296
@Insp1949Morris
19 October 2022 21:53
@TrumpetDave @WeCops Must do more sec 17 entries than anyone else. Carries the biggest risk for untrained officers #wecops
@nickoli2238
19 October 2022 21:53
@Brick_Cop @WeCops @WecopsCaroline Love that, I wear my thin blue line badge with pride and I know our AFOs wear their AFO patches with pride. We all love some kind of insignia. Maybe even on rank sliders saying “emergency response” #wecops
@Its_Just_Darren
19 October 2022 21:53
@Suzymcdonnell2 @Kaur2317 @PeteA86 @WeCops Fast time recognition, not as stated above a year or 2 wait for a certificate. For example many years ago when I was in Kent you would regularly get a letter in the post from the boss for a decent job. It was such a small thing but meant a lot, I've still got them now #WeCops
@PeteA86
19 October 2022 21:53
@Suzymcdonnell2 @Kaur2317 @WeCops #wecops yes that would be excellent in terms of SLT visibility. This is happening in cumbria to an extent with visibility rota, perhaps could tie in those good work merits when the senior officers are on shift.
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:53
@davidpenney86 @WeCops Police Officers can recognise an insincere boss within minutes. Actions speak louder than works, visibility is critical for leaders. #WeCops
@Kaurbethechange
19 October 2022 21:53
@Suzymcdonnell2 @PeteA86 @WeCops It depends if they are authentic or just ticking a box. There is a huge difference ??#wecops Leadership is everyday and its evident on how u lead people this can be seen how u operate not just issuing a certificate its way more than that #wecops
@PC_RichieT
19 October 2022 21:53
@CumbriaDCC @WeCops I feel there’s a hint there Sir ?? being involved in this is a simple way to demonstrate positive reactions and development. Thank you #WeCops
@nw_response_cop
19 October 2022 21:54
@modern_copper @WeCops @CollegeofPolice Absolutely. I was interviewed - and to be honest don't actually know what COP were looking to achieve - there didn't seem to be a coherent vision?? #WeCops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:54
@wig_m @ljledder @WeCops #wecops absolutely right this is essential for leadership at all ranks, and SLT visiting or working remotely from all stations throughout the month is a great idea
@TheBigHon
19 October 2022 21:54
@remmy_308 @AnotherTweetCop @WeCops Training is critical. It is a key part of the job (both receiving and delivering). It should NOT be seen as an abstraction but a core duty! (You've started me on the T-Word again!) #WeCops
@andyluvv
19 October 2022 21:54
@WeCops The biggest complaint I've heard is not feeling like part of the team or being treated like an adult. So there's a cultural shift that needs to happen, as probationers can sometimes be treated like a "tabula rasa". Value people where you meet them, not what you expect. #WeCops https://t.co/OJMAFzt5sU
@Its_Just_Darren
19 October 2022 21:55
@WeCops Don't treat them as if they are bottom of the pile. Invest in development opportunities, driving courses, MOE etc etc #WeCops
@remmy_308
19 October 2022 21:55
@DelphiEllis @WeCops The importance of welfare and morale is often overlooked by the organisation, far too often it's left to skippers to hold their teams together, without any substantial support. #WeCops
@dadwithahat1
19 October 2022 21:55
@CycleSgt @Suzymcdonnell2 @Kaur2317 @PeteA86 @WeCops Remember that time the Insp got those ww2 mini medals for Benno and co after their knife job. That little touch was excellent. #WeCops
@bluesbreaker196
19 October 2022 21:55
@patrigby2 @WeCops Ironically, at the end of a shift many cops will now still be sitting in a hospital. Perhaps an NHS manager could thank them on behalf of their Sgt? #wecops
@Lee_Robinson01
19 October 2022 21:55
@WeCops Investment in tutors and the student program Training for response officers, Driving courses, Taser, Investigation training Welfare - the one dept in most forces where officers are least likely to get their refs break. Change this and morale will improve hugely. #Wecops
@TheBigHon
19 October 2022 21:55
@remmy_308 @AnotherTweetCop @WeCops ...and this is exasperated by not having the numbers! #WeCops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:55
@DelphiEllis @remmy_308 @WeCops I take your point on a consistent approach to wellbeing but, the Comments on the wellbeing van are unfair. The Oscar Kilo team under the leadership of Andy Rhodes has done a cracking job supporting the wellbeing of officers across the country. #wecops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:56
@DelphiEllis @remmy_308 @WeCops #wecops the team at https://www.oscarkilo.org.uk/services/wellbeing-at-work/operation-hampshire Worked hard to deliver the OFFICER STAFF SAFETY REVIEW https://www.college.police.uk/tags/officer-safety
@ACQ91
19 October 2022 21:56
@WeCops A phone call after a great job has a huge impact. Handwritten card. Positive stories on display, daily bulletins, intranets, media. Remind them what they do is critical. They save lives every day, look after vulnerable people every day, arrest criminals every day #WeCops
@nickoli2238
19 October 2022 21:56
@travski76 @WeCops @Cumbriapolice I disagree, I am honest about what I will do with what they tell me. I have worked with thee groups of people for a good length of time. They know my intentions and my character. I think that helps. #wecops
@SInspEllis
19 October 2022 21:56
@SussexInspCC238 @WeCops ???? hit the nail on the head with listening! I’d go one further and have leaders proactively seeking feedback and being transparent with how they’re addressing issues. Having a feedback loop to ultimately drive improvement! #WeCops
@Kaurbethechange
19 October 2022 21:56
@Suzymcdonnell2 @PeteA86 @WeCops I was on local aid when I heard a suicide call come out. It wasn’t my team, but figured I’d take a drive by with my team to see that no supervisors; then to be told this is the norm and it’s always on to the next call. This is not right! Getting the basics right matters #wecops
@stec0n
19 October 2022 21:56
@WeCops #WeCops need to change the attitude of non-response teams comments like "just get response to do...." or "can I get a local patrol because I can't..." Specialist roles don't mean you can't do some of the basics.
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:56
@Insp1949Morris @WeCops #wecops Great idea @CumbriaDCC
@tacmedcop
19 October 2022 21:57
@WeCops Empower officers to make decisions, reduce micro management and allow 1st line management to support without reduced interference from above. Increase recognition of good work. Ensure resources and equipment in place. #WeCops
@CumbriaTSGInsp
19 October 2022 21:57
@WeCops Consistent leadership, who genuinely care about the people behind the collar number. Encourage them, mentor them, recognise their hard work at all hours & as we do here, we should never shy away from putting boots on the ground to do what they do #WeCops
@Murphy25Brian
19 October 2022 21:57
@WeCops It would be good if CPS decisions to discontinue, or downgrade assaults on officers were challenged by SLTs. That will go a long way to get the message assaults on PCs are unacceptable and punishable. #wecops
@mark74brown
19 October 2022 21:57
@Suzymcdonnell2 @Kaur2317 @PeteA86 @WeCops That was the situation on a regional SB unit I was on…LT monthly & SLT (having to travel long distance) bi-monthly…a chance to talk about things/raise issues, but also a nice boost in terms of recognition…I’m sure response would benefit from this #WeCops
@TheBigHon
19 October 2022 21:57
Good to be WeCopping again... #WeCops
@Its_Just_Darren
19 October 2022 21:57
@Brick_Cop @WeCops @WecopsCaroline Treat us with respect that's all we ask for. I get spoken to and treated like crap by those we deal with on the street we don't need colleagues treating us the same way #WeCops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:57
@Brick_Cop @WeCops @WecopsCaroline Excellent point-will look into this. #WeCops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:58
@Jon_Sherlock @WeCops #wecops this is essential and I know that here in @kent_police the ACC hands epaulettes to successful candidates
@pauldewick
19 October 2022 21:58
@WeCops Someone said to me only this week, “ How else can they punish us , we are already on response “ #Wecops
@RacinSam
19 October 2022 21:58
@WeCops Rapid, genuine & meaningful (that is meaningful for the response officer!) recognition of good work. #WeCops
@remmy_308
19 October 2022 21:58
@TheBigHon @AnotherTweetCop @WeCops My apologies for starting you ?? It's been a constant annoyance to myself the way training time and resources are treated. Look at the difference in how the military approach training, it shouldn'tbe a dirty word. #WeCops
@Julie_Brierley1
19 October 2022 21:58
@WeCops Supervisors need time to review probationers, take an interest in how they are managing operational workload/academic projects, help them to progress and learn. Time to do this regularly with the high volume of new cops is a challenge but a good investment for the team. #WeCops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 21:59
@CumbriaTSGInsp @WeCops One of the best comments of the night. Thank you #WeCops
@Kaurbethechange
19 October 2022 21:59
@SussexInspCC238 @WeCops Experience cops? Sadly, they are not there long enough to be experienced. Of course we have good officers and we can nuture them but they see a culture of moving on is the norm and follow suit. The culture of getting promoted and/or easy post has been created #wecops
@Suzymcdonnell2
19 October 2022 21:59
@dadwithahat1 @Brick_Cop @WeCops @WecopsCaroline #wecops talk to me about this PIN when i see you
@nw_response_cop
19 October 2022 21:59
Just a little doff of one's hat would be enough in most situations. Commendations are lovely - but I don't think all of us are after bells and whistles and fanfares #WeCops
@WeCops
19 October 2022 22:00
Thanks so much to @CumbriaDCC and @Suzymcdonnell2 for hosting and to all our wonderful WeCoppers for contributing- Mr Carden will be taking all this away for the national response piece #WeCops https://t.co/KC696yQrZ8
@Its_Just_Darren
19 October 2022 22:00
@dadwithahat1 @Suzymcdonnell2 @Kaur2317 @PeteA86 @WeCops But we used to have loads of great little touches like that. It's what's always made me want to transfer back all these years. I'm just worried those moments don't exist anymore and have been lost in time time. #WeCops
@DelphiEllis
19 October 2022 22:00
@CumbriaDCC @remmy_308 @WeCops I speak with officers all the time; the example I gave was a real one. CoP spends £96k (plus VAT) on a national “well-being survey” and yet there’s no sign of a system or strategy to prevent police suicide. If you haven’t read blogs by @toniwriter I recommend. #WeCops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 22:00
@MEE_3E @WeCops We could do far more in terms of formal recognition, this is something we are looking into #WeCops
@MarkyDeeTee
19 October 2022 22:01
@WeCops It comes down to making the job attractive to increase interest in the role. It's a role that needs support, both financially & from SLT, it needs consistent resourcing, good shift patterns & technology; if you don't invest in the role then don't expect people to stay!!! #WeCops
@CumbriaChief
19 October 2022 22:01
@WeCops Whilst I haven't been able to respond to every message, please be assured I will read them all. Thank you very much indeed for taking part and for the excellent comments. #WeCops
@modern_copper
19 October 2022 22:01
@SussexInspCC238 @WeCops How, though? Worst hours in the job. Scarcest resources. Most likely to be assaulted… etc. If people are pressed into role then you lose any positivity and discretionary effort they might bring. #WeCops
@kerrimonaghan1
19 October 2022 22:01
@WeCops @CumbriaDCC @Suzymcdonnell2 Thank you that was a brilliant chat! Lots of great ideas ?????? stats will be out at 2230 #wecops
@SussexInspCC238
19 October 2022 22:02
@Kaur2317 @WeCops I know. We need a change in emphasis. Financial incentives maybe for response initially. Make sure we are concentrating on upskilling the ones there right now and giving them the tools to be effective so they can become what we need. #wecops
@remmy_308
19 October 2022 22:02
@Suzymcdonnell2 @DelphiEllis @WeCops The problem is instructor's, officers and external subject matter experts have for years been giving feedback that the amount and frequency of PSP training is woefully inadequate, only to be ignored. #wecops
@KatieMagnet
19 October 2022 22:03
#wecops https://twitter.com/SPCK111/status/1582839292543369217
@nw_response_cop
19 October 2022 22:03
@WeCops @CumbriaDCC @Suzymcdonnell2 Really interesting to see and hear other views from across the board #wecops
@Insp1949Morris
19 October 2022 22:04
@TrumpetDave @WeCops This is the exact reason we need the training. Additionally specialist aren't 24/7 nor can they immediately respond as will have their own deployment #wecops
@Its_Just_Darren
19 October 2022 22:04
@Chrismgibs @Suzymcdonnell2 @Kaur2317 @PeteA86 @WeCops It was the fact it was a letter personally signed where the boss described what you had done that made it so valuable. #WeCops
@PCmisanthrope
19 October 2022 22:05
@WeCops Stop treating them like crap, it isn’t a punishment. Staff it properly. Don’t make them take investigations. Give them decent training, IPP, MOE, taser, stop stick etc. Get your most proactive officers and let them loose. #wecops
@SussexInspCC238
19 October 2022 22:05
@modern_copper @WeCops And carry the most risk of being on the recieving end of hurt and non constructive criticism.2 questions need asking and answering. 1 what are we asking them to do? 2. How can we help them do it? #WeCops
@PC_RichieT
19 October 2022 22:07
@WeCops @CumbriaDCC @Suzymcdonnell2 Great chat !! Thanks #WeCops !!
@modern_copper
19 October 2022 22:08
@SussexInspCC238 @WeCops And they’re least likely to get development opportunities, secondments and good training (as opposed to moodle/NCALT nightshift “learning”). #WeCops
@Its_Just_Darren
19 October 2022 22:08
@Kaur2317 @SussexInspCC238 @WeCops This is another huge issue the lack of experience, to this day I still remember all the experienced cops who guided me when I joined and made me who I am today. Now we have have PC's with a matter of months in taking the newest members out on patrol #WeCops
@ACQ91
19 October 2022 22:09
@DelphiEllis @remmy_308 @WeCops What would you include? Ours offered Bp checks, tea/coffee/chat, dealing with stress advice, sleep advice (always tough on shifts I know) …as well as sporks and fruit. I agree though well being isn’t a week… it should be every day. ?? #WeCops
@Its_Just_Darren
19 October 2022 22:09
@Kaur2317 @SussexInspCC238 @WeCops And it's not fair on either of them as that officer with slightly more service shouldn't have that pressure on them when they are still learning themselves #WeCops
@ACQ91
19 October 2022 22:11
@DelphiEllis @Suzymcdonnell2 @remmy_308 @WeCops I agree we have so much more to do. The figures are startling. As we learn more, we do more but we also learn we need to do even more. You get my drift. We will always be able to improve, but it’s important to recognise where we have got to as well. #WeCops
@remmy_308
19 October 2022 22:12
@andyluvv @WeCops Agreed could be negated by small changes in attitude. Instead of CID telling an experienced response officer or skipper what to do, they could ask what they've done before explaining what they need and asking them to do it. A small but important difference. #WeCops
@WeCops
19 October 2022 22:14
RT @CumbriaDCC: First to attend and often the most new in service. Do a great job #wecops
@ACQ91
19 October 2022 22:16
@Insp1949Morris @WeCops When I joined we had a dedicated dog handler & a dedicated traffic cop on the team with us alongside a team of detectives. Staffing changes have reduced across the board which makes it difficult but you’re right about team ethos?? #WeCops
@ACQ91
19 October 2022 22:18
@nw_response_cop @WeCops What equipment would you like (and need) which would help? Has anyone asked you? #WeCops
@ACQ91
19 October 2022 22:20
@DelphiEllis @remmy_308 @WeCops Not my experience to be fair. I’ve known the van be there at 6.30 so they did bacon butties for night shift going home and early shift coming on. That was certainly appreciated. #WeCops
@ACQ91
19 October 2022 22:21
@DelphiEllis @Suzymcdonnell2 @remmy_308 @WeCops I’ve been affected too so I am coming from a position of still choosing to accept how far we have come whilst recognising we still have a very long way to go. Pretending we never do or did anything right is not helpful either. #WeCops
@Its_Just_Darren
19 October 2022 22:22
@Schools_educate @WeCops It's really not difficult ??????? #WeCops
@WarrenWard_UK
19 October 2022 22:23
RT @WeCops: Q3. How can we champion response officers? What do you do in your force or work place? #WeCops https://t.co/JuECCYPKRy
@ACQ91
19 October 2022 22:23
@nw_response_cop @WeCops At our ambassadors day today”Gucci” kit was discussed at length! Procurement and pay probably both sticking points. At one point I was told my black top cost 26p. So I get your point. And coats I agree with wholeheartedly. ?? #WeCops
@Brick_Cop
19 October 2022 22:23
Always love joining in with a @WeCops chat! Didn’t think I’d be doing one from @SamuelAdamsBeer brew house ?? Thoroughly enjoyed talking all things response but for now time to drop off our ?? so I can join in with the beers! Have a great evening ?? #WeCops #ThinBlueLine ?????? https://t.co/FtRK9lRqR2
@ACQ91
19 October 2022 22:25
@DelphiEllis @remmy_308 @WeCops I don’t think the van claims to be a 365 provision. It’s a small extra. As you say well-being and welfare is all of our jobs all of the time. #WeCops
@InquisitivePlod
19 October 2022 22:27
@nw_response_cop I think a next day/shift pop in to the nick with a quick well done and a handshake (& possibly a bag of cookies/doughnuts) would go a lot further in most cases than a framed commendation 2yrs later #wecops
@andyluvv
19 October 2022 22:28
@Chrismgibs @TheBigHon @grahamwettone @WeCops That's true of both response and SNT. One is a specialist at quick resolution the other a specialism into clearing out long drawn out issues in partnership. Neither are treated as such. Snt can work on intelligence and warrants that support the informar from response. #WeCops https://t.co/yR8w9kHsKp
@bedspolfeddsec
19 October 2022 22:28
@WeCops #wecops Demand is relentless yet the majority are the most inexperienced & youngest in force. No desire for senior managers to ensure other department supervisors understand the pressures yet we have to understand theirs. Times have changed & it’s not same since they were there.
@ACQ91
19 October 2022 22:29
@nw_response_cop @WeCops I remember them trying the national vehicle fleet idea a few years ago. 43 forces all with different ideas of what they wanted?? National IT should be a given and funded to improve all our lives (more importantly it’s a better service for the public) #WeCops




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